Beefymcfc wrote:These are complex times. City are improving: fifth to third to second under Mancini. That last step was always going to be the toughest.
Im_Spartacus wrote:I maybe stand to be educated on this, but for all the credit guardiola takes for the youth development of barcelona, is it not a fact that the system was conceived and implemented well over a decade ago by cryuff.
I dont see what guardiola has done, other than to manage the exceptional products of that academy, and spend ridiculous amounts of money on players like ibra to complement them.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:These are complex times. City are improving: fifth to third to second under Mancini. That last step was always going to be the toughest.
That's the bottom line.
Im_Spartacus wrote:I maybe stand to be educated on this, but for all the credit guardiola takes for the youth development of barcelona, is it not a fact that the system was conceived and implemented well over a decade ago by cryuff.
I dont see what guardiola has done, other than to manage the exceptional products of that academy, and spend ridiculous amounts of money on players like ibra to complement them.
Kladze wrote:Frank Reikjard.
Ted Hughes wrote:He has made a sensible case for all 3 managers & there is a decent argument for all 3 managers, which is pretty much what I've been saying.
I can't see a decent argument for a 4th choice.
Although some of his team/squad selections are a bit bizarre & the London bias creeps in, he has highlighted a very important point, which is that if a neutral picked the best 18 players now, Utd would have the majority. That's not because they've been brilliant or are better, it's because so many of our players have been either mediocre, inconsistant or unsuited to the task even though they are top notch players.
We have a lot of expensive, high quality, but not particularly useful players. There's nothing wrong with them, thy're just not what the team needs most of the time. A fair bit of that is Bob's fault & must also be Marwood's & the chief scout's.
Ferguson's squad is inferior but it is much more suited to what he needs than ours is to Bob.
That's because he knows how he wants to play & builds for it but Bob can't make his mind up.
Now he needs to decide how we play, sign the right players to suit it & get rid of everything we don't need.
Beefymcfc wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:He has made a sensible case for all 3 managers & there is a decent argument for all 3 managers, which is pretty much what I've been saying.
I can't see a decent argument for a 4th choice.
Although some of his team/squad selections are a bit bizarre & the London bias creeps in, he has highlighted a very important point, which is that if a neutral picked the best 18 players now, Utd would have the majority. That's not because they've been brilliant or are better, it's because so many of our players have been either mediocre, inconsistant or unsuited to the task even though they are top notch players.
We have a lot of expensive, high quality, but not particularly useful players. There's nothing wrong with them, thy're just not what the team needs most of the time. A fair bit of that is Bob's fault & must also be Marwood's & the chief scout's.
Ferguson's squad is inferior but it is much more suited to what he needs than ours is to Bob.
That's because he knows how he wants to play & builds for it but Bob can't make his mind up.
Now he needs to decide how we play, sign the right players to suit it & get rid of everything we don't need.
See, this is where I think you are wrong mate. Mancini does know how he wants to play but is making do with what he has got. Before the season started Mancini was telling everybody that he didn't have the squad that he wanted and that he was being hindered in bringing in the required players. We know that one of those players was Sanchez who ended up at Barca which probably led to us picking up Nasri after it went cold.
In my view it was all to do with FFP and our willingness to conform to the rules. We were still holding Tevez, Ade et al who were on huge sums and only until we could clear these players would we be able to bring in the next waive that Bobby wanted. Them not going crippled him in a way and has led us to not being able to bring in adequate cover/quality/change to the ranks. He told us all, we told him to stop whinging.
It's all relative.
Ted Hughes wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:He has made a sensible case for all 3 managers & there is a decent argument for all 3 managers, which is pretty much what I've been saying.
I can't see a decent argument for a 4th choice.
Although some of his team/squad selections are a bit bizarre & the London bias creeps in, he has highlighted a very important point, which is that if a neutral picked the best 18 players now, Utd would have the majority. That's not because they've been brilliant or are better, it's because so many of our players have been either mediocre, inconsistant or unsuited to the task even though they are top notch players.
We have a lot of expensive, high quality, but not particularly useful players. There's nothing wrong with them, thy're just not what the team needs most of the time. A fair bit of that is Bob's fault & must also be Marwood's & the chief scout's.
Ferguson's squad is inferior but it is much more suited to what he needs than ours is to Bob.
That's because he knows how he wants to play & builds for it but Bob can't make his mind up.
Now he needs to decide how we play, sign the right players to suit it & get rid of everything we don't need.
See, this is where I think you are wrong mate. Mancini does know how he wants to play but is making do with what he has got. Before the season started Mancini was telling everybody that he didn't have the squad that he wanted and that he was being hindered in bringing in the required players. We know that one of those players was Sanchez who ended up at Barca which probably led to us picking up Nasri after it went cold.
In my view it was all to do with FFP and our willingness to conform to the rules. We were still holding Tevez, Ade et al who were on huge sums and only until we could clear these players would we be able to bring in the next waive that Bobby wanted. Them not going crippled him in a way and has led us to not being able to bring in adequate cover/quality/change to the ranks. He told us all, we told him to stop whinging.
It's all relative.
Can't agree with that mate. He's bought Dzeko, Balotelli, Milner, Kolarov, Nasri for huge money and doesn't know how to fit them into a team or what style it should play.
Ferguson would have signed Dzeko plus 3 wingers who could also play other positions take free kicks & score goals. Then a cheapo 4th striker.
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