Beefymcfc wrote:'...because until they pay', what the fuck does that actually mean? Seems he is implying that we will pay for what we are achieving, or over-achieving is what he is saying. But why say this, he knows our owner has turned his spending into equity rather than what Abramovich has done with Chelsea and held the club to account?
Rag_hater wrote:I can't see any rules they have made to enter their comp that we have broken.The sponsorship deals are something nobody has any precedent to follow.Any other rules we are complying with so they can't ban us for following rules they have made
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't pretend to be an expert in these matters but I don't agree that UEFA have answered the points raised, at all.
And the key point to my position has always been that City will try to circumnavigate this by 'sponsorship', not by confrontation.
This is one of the key areas imo.
The system set out for dealing with that is sketchy at best & seems to be at the behest of some panel who decide one kind of sponsorship is ok and another is not. That is the area where I see the shit hitting the fan if UEFA challenge us, as I recon City will be able to show literally thousands of instances of peopple at football clubs, in European competition, with family, business or other connections to companies which partly or wholly sponsor said club.
If they are to take City to task, I recon they'll have to do the same with thousands of people & several governments, otherwise they are singling us out as a special case.
I do not believe that UEFA can stich us up with impunity & I don't think they believe it either.
mcfc1632 wrote:Ted Hughes wrote:I don't pretend to be an expert in these matters but I don't agree that UEFA have answered the points raised, at all.
And the key point to my position has always been that City will try to circumnavigate this by 'sponsorship', not by confrontation.
This is one of the key areas imo.
Ted - I fully agree with you on this point - we just need to keep growing sponsorships - winning the PL was very important. You are right - the key difficultly for UeFA will be in arbitrarily determining that our revenues do not count and that is a place where we could challenge and very likely win.
A reason that I was so disappointed to see Cook leave – we do seem to have slowed down on sponsorships.
zuricity wrote:I fully expect Chavski, Man Ure, Spuds, die Arse, Bayern, Juve, Ac Milan, Inter, Madrid and Barca to invest heavily in new players this summer. Let's see what that big toad Platini says.
If Chelsea don't invest big they will struggle next season, so too Arse and Spuds. Bayern could well losecsome key players in the summer and they aren't getting any younger.
It should be an interesting summer on the transfer market.
ant london wrote:zuricity wrote:I fully expect Chavski, Man Ure, Spuds, die Arse, Bayern, Juve, Ac Milan, Inter, Madrid and Barca to invest heavily in new players this summer. Let's see what that big toad Platini says.
If Chelsea don't invest big they will struggle next season, so too Arse and Spuds. Bayern could well losecsome key players in the summer and they aren't getting any younger.
It should be an interesting summer on the transfer market.
I'm actually fascinated to see what last night's CL win does to Roman's desire to stay and begin investing heavily in Chelsea again.
I would not be at all surprised if his interest now waned further if I'm honest. He's now got the big prize he's always wanted and now all he's left with is quite an uncertain and costly project to bring in a new manager and rebuild a squad which has just finished sixth in the PL and looked in now way remotely good enough to challenge for the title.
How he might be able to exit is another matter altogether but I saw that some Qatari group had been in talks with them about the move to Battersea Power Station and I would not be remotely surprised if he sold up either in part or in full over the coming year
Tokyo Blue wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:'...because until they pay', what the fuck does that actually mean? Seems he is implying that we will pay for what we are achieving, or over-achieving is what he is saying. But why say this, he knows our owner has turned his spending into equity rather than what Abramovich has done with Chelsea and held the club to account?
I think he means "as long as they pay".
Still largely bollocks what he's saying though.
mcfc1632 wrote:Tokyo Blue wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:'...because until they pay', what the fuck does that actually mean? Seems he is implying that we will pay for what we are achieving, or over-achieving is what he is saying. But why say this, he knows our owner has turned his spending into equity rather than what Abramovich has done with Chelsea and held the club to account?
I think he means "as long as they pay".
Still largely bollocks what he's saying though.
I read that as meaning 'pay' as in are 'punished' - i.e. we will carry on until punished showing an intention on Twatini's behalf to perform a punishment
Beefymcfc wrote:Rag_hater wrote:I can't see any rules they have made to enter their comp that we have broken.The sponsorship deals are something nobody has any precedent to follow.Any other rules we are complying with so they can't ban us for following rules they have made
Correct. Haven't United and Liverpool just signed massive sponsorship deals, 40 mil per year? Also, haven't United just had their training kit sponsored for 10 mil a year?
If those figures are correct then that's still well above our reported 35 mil a year. Maybe we'll be getting a few more sponsors soon though/up our current deals. After all, we are the Premier League title winners.
mcfc1632 wrote:Tokyo Blue wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:'...because until they pay', what the fuck does that actually mean? Seems he is implying that we will pay for what we are achieving, or over-achieving is what he is saying. But why say this, he knows our owner has turned his spending into equity rather than what Abramovich has done with Chelsea and held the club to account?
I think he means "as long as they pay".
Still largely bollocks what he's saying though.
I read that as meaning 'pay' as in are 'punished' - i.e. we will carry on until punished showing an intention on Twatini's behalf to perform a punishment
Ted Hughes wrote:mcfc1632 wrote:Tokyo Blue wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:'...because until they pay', what the fuck does that actually mean? Seems he is implying that we will pay for what we are achieving, or over-achieving is what he is saying. But why say this, he knows our owner has turned his spending into equity rather than what Abramovich has done with Chelsea and held the club to account?
I think he means "as long as they pay".
Still largely bollocks what he's saying though.
I read that as meaning 'pay' as in are 'punished' - i.e. we will carry on until punished showing an intention on Twatini's behalf to perform a punishment
I'm pretty sure he means we will have to pay when the owners leave, as in we will go bankrupt .
I don't think he has much idea what he is talking about & is just trying to pretend it's all about protecting us. I don't think he's even looked into City's finances or has any idea about us apart from the fact that we sign players and are likely to cause the elite problems. He is just doing favours for his mates & has not thought it through. He's just a fat, incompetent, freeloading cunt.
john68 wrote:MCFC1632,
I have separated this post from the other because it deals with another issue which I think is a bigger one and one that is more permanent a threat and could be more injurious to City in the longer term. Not legal but political.
I have thought for a long time that these two issues have becoming mixed, blurred and confused together, but need to be discussed and debated separately.
For almost 30 years, a small group of clubs, led by an even smaller group have sought to create a model of football competition which id financially beneficial to them, sometimes to the detriment of others. They have bullied, coerced and threatened the ruling body in order to reach their aims. They disbanded their G14 lobby group, replacing it with the ECA, a body that they dominate and control, a body that is far more politically powerful, even on the World stage. They have forced UeFA to change the structure and the financial rules of competition in Europe, with the threat of withdrawing should UeFA not comply. Having succeeded in that, they are now intent on guarding their rear to safeguard their gains.
The FFP is only the tool that are presently using and should they fail, they will undoubtedly come back and try another tack. The FFP is only the tool, the more permanent threat remains a political one and will not go away.
It is for that last reason that I think City and other clubs have sought to comply with the FFP. We may be strong on the field but remain very weak and powerless within the politics of European football. We have few friends, if any. I can understand City not wanting to rock that political boat and become even more isolated within the power corridors of football. I think City MUST work towards compliance for pragmatic, political reasons and any legal challenge would only be a last resort that could have major repercussions against us.
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