Barton Banned For 12 Games

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Huges is a shit manager. Look at his record, he can lead teams to amazingly below average seasons. If he was never a rag player he wouldn't have a coaching career.

That is so very very true. If he wasn't rag legend, he'd be coaching Wrexham U16s by now.

I've always found it hilarious how these former rags will get endless amount of chances at top level. Look how long Bryan Robson, probably THE most clueless manager in Premier League history, got in top flight. And you could see million miles away that this guy had no idea whatsoever what he was doing.

You just see when Gary Neville, Giggs and Scholes go into management, they get free pass for at very least three relegations and if they end up in good position, endless amount of mid-table finishes.

Hughes will spend tons of money in summer in what is already reasonable squad (I'd take their current team over anyone inn bottom 10) and finish somewhere in mid-table (8th to 10th) and be hailed as a rainmaker. Then spend more money and keep them there for three years or so. That is his absolute ceiling as a manager. Now imagine if some Johnny Foreigner manager did that with same money. Would that be good enough for media and (after intensive media pressure) for fans?

[Alex Sapphire]

Kept them up which looked unlikely!

LOL

They were 17th when he took over and they were 17th when by the end of the season saved by dodgy Stoke goal. Them staying up was unlikely because Hughes, not for the first time in his career, only managed to make them worse than they were when he took over.

It's unbelieavable how much some people are willing to STILL change facts for this feller. It seems like manlove for this guy sees no boundaries.

This

This.

Not This.

Hughes took 20 points from 18 game, Warnock took 17 from 20. Those are facts

[Socrates]

Kept them up which looked unlikely!

LOL

They were 17th when he took over and they were 17th when by the end of the season saved by dodgy Stoke goal. Them staying up was unlikely because Hughes, not for the first time in his career, only managed to make them worse than they were when he took over.

It's unbelieavable how much some people are willing to STILL change facts for this feller. It seems like manlove for this guy sees no boundaries.

This

This.

Not This.

Hughes took 20 points from 18 game, Warnock took 17 from 20. Those are facts

Just evidence that the side needed time to gel after so many summer signings?
People really should stop defending Hughes now and admit that City's owners did the right thing in replacing him.

[Alex Sapphire]

Not This.

Hughes took 20 points from 18 game, Warnock took 17 from 20. Those are facts

Just evidence that the side needed time to gel after so many summer signings?
People really should stop defending Hughes now and admit that City's owners did the right thing in replacing him.

more to the point people should stop attacking him as he's history and it doesn't show class

[Socrates]

Not This.

Hughes took 20 points from 18 game, Warnock took 17 from 20. Those are facts

Just evidence that the side needed time to gel after so many summer signings?
People really should stop defending Hughes now and admit that City's owners did the right thing in replacing him.

more to the point people should stop attacking him as he's history and it doesn't show class

I haven't, I will continue to justify the necessary actions of our owners though, just as I did before and after his removal from our club!

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Just evidence that the side needed time to gel after so many summer signings?
People really should stop defending Hughes now and admit that City's owners did the right thing in replacing him.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes we did the right thing. No Hughes isn't a title winning manager.

That said he's clearly not complete shit. He's just an average prem manager. That takes a lot of skill and hard work.

[Evenmydoghatesunited]

Just like Coppell we had no business employing any former employees from that team of runners up at soccer-world down the A56

[Socrates]

Just evidence that the side needed time to gel after so many summer signings?
People really should stop defending Hughes now and admit that City's owners did the right thing in replacing him.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes we did the right thing. No Hughes isn't a title winning manager.

That said he's clearly not complete shit. He's just an average prem manager. That takes a lot of skill and hard work.

Agree and there was always a small possibility that he could step up and manage a big club if given enough time but once FFP was announced we didn't have the luxury of waiting to find out. Seeing the same old faces supporting Hughes now who failed to understand the ramifications of UEFA's policy change at the time, and were often quite vitriolic in their attacks on those that did, just draws the need to point out his continued averageness and that the owner, the directors, and those that saw/foresaw the need for change have been vindicated.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Just evidence that the side needed time to gel after so many summer signings?
People really should stop defending Hughes now and admit that City's owners did the right thing in replacing him.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes we did the right thing. No Hughes isn't a title winning manager.

That said he's clearly not complete shit. He's just an average prem manager. That takes a lot of skill and hard work.

Agree and there was always a small possibility that he could step up and manage a big club if given enough time but once FFP was announced we didn't have the luxury of waiting to find out. Seeing the same old faces supporting Hughes now who failed to understand the ramifications of UEFA's policy change at the time, and were often quite vitriolic in their attacks on those that did, just draws the need to point out his continued averageness and that the owner, the directors, and those that saw/foresaw the need for change have been vindicated.

Spot on.

[Alex Sapphire]

Just evidence that the side needed time to gel after so many summer signings?
People really should stop defending Hughes now and admit that City's owners did the right thing in replacing him.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes we did the right thing. No Hughes isn't a title winning manager.

That said he's clearly not complete shit. He's just an average prem manager. That takes a lot of skill and hard work.

Agree and there was always a small possibility that he could step up and manage a big club if given enough time but once FFP was announced we didn't have the luxury of waiting to find out. Seeing the same old faces supporting Hughes now who failed to understand the ramifications of UEFA's policy change at the time, and were often quite vitriolic in their attacks on those that did, just draws the need to point out his continued averageness and that the owner, the directors, and those that saw/foresaw the need for change have been vindicated.

where to start

"Agree": me too
"small possibilty": realistic expectation. bit of a pitiful dig that.
"failed to understand the ramifications..." that's poor and patronising even for you Jon.
"often vitriolic" - yeah it gets heated and I think on balance the haters were a lot more vitriolic than the lickers. A lot more.
and still are as it turns out
"just draws the need to point out": in you maybe. Can't you just get over it?

I asked Antii to let it go. You've waded in with your foresight and unique grasp of FFP and can't resist the digs at those who don't think he's a half wit. Well guess what, he's actually, factually not shit. But he's not our manager any more so it doesn't matter.

He's gone, the lickers are over it, it was the right thing. Let it go.

[BlueinBosnia]

Kept them up which looked unlikely!

LOL

They were 17th when he took over and they were 17th when by the end of the season saved by dodgy Stoke goal.

Sorry, what was their score against us at the exact moment they realised they were safe?

??????
They'd just lost 3-2.

??????
To me, it looks like they become aware of the Stoke-Bolton final score approximately 45 seconds before we get the third, and there is a discernible change in the momentum of their play which appears to reflect this.

QPR this season:
Points under Warnock- 0.85
Points under Hughes- 1.12
A 32% increase in points per game.

[BlueinBosnia]

Just like Coppell we had no business employing any former employees from that team of runners up at soccer-world down the A56

I agree. Platt & Kidd out!

;)

[Swales4ever]

one time, LOUDER... [singing alltogether!]

Is that "thread of the season" contest still open?

as per AS, let it go... it so much fun!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Just evidence that the side needed time to gel after so many summer signings?
People really should stop defending Hughes now and admit that City's owners did the right thing in replacing him.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Yes we did the right thing. No Hughes isn't a title winning manager.

That said he's clearly not complete shit. He's just an average prem manager. That takes a lot of skill and hard work.

Agree and there was always a small possibility that he could step up and manage a big club if given enough time but once FFP was announced we didn't have the luxury of waiting to find out. Seeing the same old faces supporting Hughes now who failed to understand the ramifications of UEFA's policy change at the time, and were often quite vitriolic in their attacks on those that did, just draws the need to point out his continued averageness and that the owner, the directors, and those that saw/foresaw the need for change have been vindicated.

where to start

"Agree": me too
"small possibilty": realistic expectation. bit of a pitiful dig that.
"failed to understand the ramifications..." that's poor and patronising even for you Jon.
"often vitriolic" - yeah it gets heated and I think on balance the haters were a lot more vitriolic than the lickers. A lot more.
and still are as it turns out
"just draws the need to point out": in you maybe. Can't you just get over it?

I asked Antii to let it go. You've waded in with your foresight and unique grasp of FFP and can't resist the digs at those who don't think he's a half wit. Well guess what, he's actually, factually not shit. But he's not our manager any more so it doesn't matter.

He's gone, the lickers are over it, it was the right thing. Let it go.

Have you read this topic?

[Alex Sapphire]

I have read it. have you?
We had 6 posts "on topic" before this:

and a sacking to follow if QPR have any sense

I agree, though since they employed Mark Hughes they are obviously lacking sense.

Then you entered the fray disputing that they had been "kept up" (presumably you think they wererelegated), and accusing an empty room of changing the facts. Which no-one did.

and a sacking to follow if QPR have any sense

I agree, though since they employed Mark Hughes they are obviously lacking sense.

Kept them up which looked unlikely!

LOL

They were 17th when he took over and they were 17th when by the end of the season saved by dodgy Stoke goal. Them staying up was unlikely because Hughes, not for the first time in his career, only managed to make them worse than they were when he took over.

It's unbelieavable how much some people are willing to STILL change facts for this feller. It seems like manlove for this guy sees no boundaries.

there has been a mellow response from people who presumably think you're obsessed by Hughes, who don't want him back, but who are daring to suggest that he's not the shittest of the shit.
Unless you can show me the licker post who's saying it was a mistake to sack him and we should have him back?

Again the facts (thanks BiB) is that QPRs points return improved over 30% from relegation form to safety form, and while their position in the table may not have changed, their prospects did.

Maybe you should have another read of it yourself. I can wait :)

[carl_feedthegoat]

I have read it. have you?
We had 6 posts "on topic" before this:

and a sacking to follow if QPR have any sense

I agree, though since they employed Mark Hughes they are obviously lacking sense.

Then you entered the fray disputing that they had been "kept up" (presumably you think they wererelegated), and accusing an empty room of changing the facts. Which no-one did.

and a sacking to follow if QPR have any sense

I agree, though since they employed Mark Hughes they are obviously lacking sense.

Kept them up which looked unlikely!

LOL

They were 17th when he took over and they were 17th when by the end of the season saved by dodgy Stoke goal. Them staying up was unlikely because Hughes, not for the first time in his career, only managed to make them worse than they were when he took over.

It's unbelieavable how much some people are willing to STILL change facts for this feller. It seems like manlove for this guy sees no boundaries.

there has been a mellow response from people who presumably think you're obsessed by Hughes, who don't want him back, but who are daring to suggest that he's not the shittest of the shit.
Unless you can show me the licker post who's saying it was a mistake to sack him and we should have him back?

Again the facts (thanks BiB) is that QPRs points return improved over 30% from relegation form to safety form, and while their position in the table may not have changed, their prospects did.

Maybe you should have another read of it yourself. I can wait :)

It has already been mentioned that Warnock brought in a brand new team and his points just about match up to the cluless cunts points tally even though he had the latter part of the season with them......................that shows hes fucking shite.

shluuuuuuuurp.

[Swales4ever]

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[BlueinBosnia]

It has already been mentioned that Warnock brought in a brand new team and his points just about match up to the cluless cunts points tally even though he had the latter part of the season with them......................that shows hes fucking shite.

shluuuuuuuurp.

It's already been stated that Hughes earned 132% of the points-per-game that Warnock did. Basically, for every three points Warnock earned, Hughes earned four. Or, to put it another way, if - as NQDP asserts -Warnock was going to deliver them to safety by having the full season (hitting 40 points), Hughes would have likewise gotten them into eighth place (53 points) over the same number of games.

This season, we earned 125% of the points-per-game that we did last season.

If Warnock 'just about matched' Hughes, then our performance this season must have been 'pretty much the same' as last season.

[carl_feedthegoat]

It has already been mentioned that Warnock brought in a brand new team and his points just about match up to the cluless cunts points tally even though he had the latter part of the season with them......................that shows hes fucking shite.

shluuuuuuuurp.

It's already been stated that Hughes earned 132% of the points-per-game that Warnock did. Basically, for every three points Warnock earned, Hughes earned four. Or, to put it another way, if - as NQDP asserts -Warnock was going to deliver them to safety by having the full season (hitting 40 points), Hughes would have likewise gotten them into eighth place (53 points) over the same number of games.

This season, we earned 125% of the points-per-game that we did last season.

If Warnock 'just about matched' Hughes, then our performance this season must have been 'pretty much the same' as last season.

FFS...Warnock had a fuckign brand new team for the first 20 games or so.

[carl_feedthegoat]

It has already been mentioned that Warnock brought in a brand new team and his points just about match up to the cluless cunts points tally even though he had the latter part of the season with them......................that shows hes fucking shite.

shluuuuuuuurp.

It's already been stated that Hughes earned 132% of the points-per-game that Warnock did. Basically, for every three points Warnock earned, Hughes earned four. Or, to put it another way, if - as NQDP asserts -Warnock was going to deliver them to safety by having the full season (hitting 40 points), Hughes would have likewise gotten them into eighth place (53 points) over the same number of games.

This season, we earned 125% of the points-per-game that we did last season.

If Warnock 'just about matched' Hughes, then our performance this season must have been 'pretty much the same' as last season.

FFS...Warnock had a fuckign brand new team for the first 20 games or so...I reckon he would have done a lot better than Hughes did once they bedded in.