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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Socrates » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:37 am

I'm not entirely disageeing with you Mancio, I'm not a Marwood supporter just testing the evidence. And I won't be falling out with you as you aren't a spoiled child.

Mactavish I have no idea what you are talking about Adebayor being "humiliated." He's the one who threw his toys out of the pram when he wasn't first choice, no? And these "attacks" are all out of proportion to anything Mancini has actually said. There is absolutely no question that Mancini is far more important to the club than Marwood and that you are wasting your breath attacking him. Though I'm sure the clown section will have their knives out first time we have a draw.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby kinkylola » Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:54 am

i think it's deals like this that have made us a bit trigger shy in the market this season, I believe. We aren't going to do a deal with a player when it seems likely that he's just playing it for the payday.

was Adebayor, and many of the other unnecessary players on fat contracts (looking at you bridgey ...), brought in under Big Gary? I'm genuinely honest because I can't remember the exact timeframes off the top of my head and i'm far to lazy to look it all up.

If so, it's a bit unfair to pin anything to do with adebayor on marwood, as he's just been left to deal with fringe players on mammoth deals. As has been stated, marwood cannot force adebayor to leave, and can also not threaten him with no playing time, as that is a breach of contract. He's gotten a deal with tott for him and beyond that is all Adebayor.

I think we may also underestimate how large a wage bill we are running with (and how much of that is for useless players). One thing i think our owners like about marwood may be his frugality.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby gilford » Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:51 am

At least he has gone now, even though we have given him a chunk of cash and subsidising his wages for 2 years!

This guy is a bad egg, my gooner mate told me that years ago!
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby ant london » Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:18 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Imo he's not greedy at all.

He was ready & willing to play for City & has been discarded. He is entitled to seek the best deal for himself & to wait til the last day of the transfer window to get it. He owes City nothing & there is no reason whatsoever he should accept a drop in wages just to make it easier for City to sign players. If I was him, I'd take great delight in fucking over Mancini & Marwood as much as possible.

Mind you, Blake Carrington, JR Ewing & Silvio Berlusconi post on here, & they would have had him out of the door no problem.


Which one am I??

I don't disagree with the analysis re Adebayor and he is entirely within his rights to sit at City and pick up his wages and/or wait for the right deal for him. I would equally take some delight in his position in creating problems for those who had discarded me.

However, in light of our need to get him out of the club permanently and the fact that he will likely have to take a pay cut to some degree at his new club we should be playing on his desire to be playing football and receiving the corresponding adulation, attention and love he craves and coming up with some kind of severance solution where we essentially pay him a lump sum up front.

It does stick in the throat to say that we should have given him a portion/large portion of the fee Spurs were going to pay us...but if we'd agreed that up front and been sensible about it we wouldn't see the deal collapsing when his side demand that at the 11th hour.

I've no issue with the fact that you, John and anyone else (apart from that sanctimonious twit in pat pong) who can have a reasoned argument on these subjects disagree with me and DM but the fact of the matter is that both of our viewpoints come from a background where we both have pretty bloody significant experience of dealing with negotiating, managing and concluding transactions. You can say that we are basing our views and gripes on "nothing" as we don't work at MCFC but frankly that is bullshit. We both have enough experience of very similar types of processes to understand what should be happening and what very clearly isn't. In any event, I'm not asking you to agree with us but similarly don't expect us to agree with your PoV which I think is fundamentally flawed.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Swales4ever » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:12 am

Genuine and serious question for our honoured Board of Wise Old Gits (Sir John, Ted, Jon and Beefy, mainly) caring for patience and stability. Then I'll be very glad to stop it now, as THANKFULLY, the season starts today and we are gonna entertained with what we enjoy most:

Have You all ever happened to wonder why Bayern Munchen, Real Madrid, AC Milan, English Zip, Italian Zip, Barca have very rarely, if ever, required for ransoms? and in case this ever happened, what happened next to the carrer of that (hypothetical) greedy agent?
and, Do You all are seriously convinced that, dr. Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak Image
a man, whose abitilies and qualifications would make him eligible to drive the Federal Reserve or the BCE, is so damned scared of the pathetic FFPR up to the extent to not spending £50 mils. when MCFC's revenue has been geometrically boosted by the EPL title??? leaving alone the fact that he is backed by a Ruling Family thhat is in the position to influence and drive more than several votes which grants the power of mr. Josep Blatter?

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4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:30 am

ant london wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Imo he's not greedy at all.

He was ready & willing to play for City & has been discarded. He is entitled to seek the best deal for himself & to wait til the last day of the transfer window to get it. He owes City nothing & there is no reason whatsoever he should accept a drop in wages just to make it easier for City to sign players. If I was him, I'd take great delight in fucking over Mancini & Marwood as much as possible.

Mind you, Blake Carrington, JR Ewing & Silvio Berlusconi post on here, & they would have had him out of the door no problem.


Which one am I??

I don't disagree with the analysis re Adebayor and he is entirely within his rights to sit at City and pick up his wages and/or wait for the right deal for him. I would equally take some delight in his position in creating problems for those who had discarded me.

However, in light of our need to get him out of the club permanently and the fact that he will likely have to take a pay cut to some degree at his new club we should be playing on his desire to be playing football and receiving the corresponding adulation, attention and love he craves and coming up with some kind of severance solution where we essentially pay him a lump sum up front.

It does stick in the throat to say that we should have given him a portion/large portion of the fee Spurs were going to pay us...but if we'd agreed that up front and been sensible about it we wouldn't see the deal collapsing when his side demand that at the 11th hour.

I've no issue with the fact that you, John and anyone else (apart from that sanctimonious twit in pat pong) who can have a reasoned argument on these subjects disagree with me and DM but the fact of the matter is that both of our viewpoints come from a background where we both have pretty bloody significant experience of dealing with negotiating, managing and concluding transactions. You can say that we are basing our views and gripes on "nothing" as we don't work at MCFC but frankly that is bullshit. We both have enough experience of very similar types of processes to understand what should be happening and what very clearly isn't. In any event, I'm not asking you to agree with us but similarly don't expect us to agree with your PoV which I think is fundamentally flawed.




Unless your clients demand a house in Cheshire, tubes of smarties with the blue ones taken out, playing time from the manager, & that their agent gets paid £6 mil even though your company has a policy of not paying agents, then you have no experience in deals like this. Marwood however has landed some of the biggest in British football history & also has lots of experience in dealing with players, as he was one himself & was then at the PFA. He also has a lot of other stuff to do, which imo is being done quietly & effectively.

I think I'm 100% right that Khaldoon tells Marwood what his boundarys are & I don't think you would have a cat in hell's chance of getting Ade to move unless Khaldoon told you to write him off. If you did that without Khaldoon's say so, I recon you would have failed in your job. Imo, Marwood is doing exactly what he has been told to do & that is to get tough. He is basically being slagged off by fans & criticised by Mancini for being too tough in negotiations, something I recon Khaldoon has ordered & supported.

If Khaldoon orders him to write off Adebayor & pay stupid money for signings, then it will happen instantly. He runs the show & I believe he does get involved at that level, sometimes even in negotiations, as does Sheikh Mansour.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby ant london » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:41 am

Ted; with respect....you have fuck all idea about what I have experience of and the parallels that can be closely drawn to these kind of deals. I know that I know what I'm talking about here and you can think what you like; it's your opinion and you know we are not agreeing on this.

That said, I completely agree that Marwood is obviously subject to Khaldoon's direction it is not the "tough" policy I have any issue with but the bumbling handling of the process. And don't come out with the "you don't know what's happening" shit again, none of us "know" but we can hazard a pretty good guess and he is clearly not very good at the deal side of things.

Don't have any issue with him in the other aspects of his role which he does appear to be doing a good job at but player purchases and sales...in my opinion....he is not cutting it. Mancini has been involved with the player acquisition process at several clubs and he clearly doesn't think Marwood is doing a good job either.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Swales4ever » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:47 am

so, Ted, are You trely saying that dr. Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak is good enough to deal - profitably - with the salvage of Barclays but not enough to have the best over Adebayor's agent?

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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:49 am

Mancio4ever wrote:so, Ted, are You trely saying that dr. Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak is good enough to deal - profitably - with the salvage of Barclays but not enough to have the best over Adebayor's agent?

http://www.mancityfans.net/mcfnet/viewt ... 0&start=24


Yes.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Swales4ever » Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:58 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Mancio4ever wrote:so, Ted, are You trely saying that dr. Khaldoon Khalifa Al Mubarak is good enough to deal - profitably - with the salvage of Barclays but not enough to have the best over Adebayor's agent?

viewtopic.php?f=119&t=43660&start=24


Yes.


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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:08 am

ant london wrote:Ted; with respect....you have fuck all idea about what I have experience of and the parallels that can be closely drawn to these kind of deals. I know that I know what I'm talking about here and you can think what you like; it's your opinion and you know we are not agreeing on this.

That said, I completely agree that Marwood is obviously subject to Khaldoon's direction it is not the "tough" policy I have any issue with but the bumbling handling of the process. And don't come out with the "you don't know what's happening" shit again, none of us "know" but we can hazard a pretty good guess and he is clearly not very good at the deal side of things.

Don't have any issue with him in the other aspects of his role which he does appear to be doing a good job at but player purchases and sales...in my opinion....he is not cutting it. Mancini has been involved with the player acquisition process at several clubs and he clearly doesn't think Marwood is doing a good job either.


I don't claim to know what's happening, it's my opinion, but I keep getting the impression which seems to suggest you do.

Unless you are involved with buying & selling footballers then imo you are talking about experience in something else, not dealing with footballers & football agents, which is the only thing important here as far as I'm concerned. There is a reason most top clubs use football people in this role, often ex players. If you work in football, then I apologise.

I recon Marwood will have a big team working with him/ under him, who will be experts in various aspects from contract law to interior design & including helpers such as Vieira to add influence. That team has been largely incredibly successful in bringing top players to City. I don't think Mancini gives a shit whether Marwood is doing it correctly or not. He wants the players & he doesn't care about anything else, just getting what he wants. If he had to negotiate under the present restrictions, I doubt he would do it better. So far when Ferguson has come up against Marwood, City have got the player, not Ferguson, & other managers have been similarly unsuccessful against his team . A big name like tricky Burgerstain may be an upgrade due to his reputation but that isn't a criticism of Marwood.

So far, Real Madrid have failed to sign Modric even though the player went on strike. They have loads of players Mourinho can't shift. Barca have failed to sign their targets. They have loads of players they can't shift. RVP still hasn't signed for Utd. They have people like Berbatov, who was top scorer in the Prem 2 seasons ago & they can't shift him. Marwood doesn't work for any of those clubs.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby maxxi » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:32 am

Marwood: The biggest success story offloading deadwood in the past 2 years.......[sarcasm-on]

Sold Caicedo! Thankfully he managed to offloaded him to Levante for a massive 1million, who sold him a week later for 7.5million.... Genius

A Dysfunctional transfer system, managed by fookin gooner, You couldn't make it :p

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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Socrates » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:36 am

I thought John WIlliams was in charge of offloading players anyway, that was what they said when Cook brought him in last summer?
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:53 am

Socrates wrote:I thought John WIlliams was in charge of offloading players anyway, that was what they said when Cook brought him in last summer?



Indeed they did & his reputation in the game for doing so is second to none. But of course Marwood will have been somehow preventing him from doing it. We don't know how, we don't know why, we just know.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Socrates » Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:57 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Socrates wrote:I thought John WIlliams was in charge of offloading players anyway, that was what they said when Cook brought him in last summer?



Indeed they did & his reputation in the game for doing so is second to none. But of course Marwood will have been somehow preventing him from doing it. We don't know how, we don't know why, we just know.


Rog I can understand as he is simply protecting his hero Mancini but Cunt Cairo and the Twat of Doom are just serial witch hunters who are best ignored, just gives them oxygen...
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Swales4ever » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:05 am

Socrates wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Socrates wrote:I thought John WIlliams was in charge of offloading players anyway, that was what they said when Cook brought him in last summer?



Indeed they did & his reputation in the game for doing so is second to none. But of course Marwood will have been somehow preventing him from doing it. We don't know how, we don't know why, we just know.


Rog I can understand as he is simply protecting his hero Mancini but Cunt Cairo and the Twat of Doom are just serial witch hunters who are best ignored, just gives them oxygen...


I m not protecting none, You Twurd!
I alreade stated that - comes end of next summer window - I'll be here claiming for Mankini's head if he won't be good enough to have this problem solved!

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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:15 am

Socrates wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Socrates wrote:I thought John WIlliams was in charge of offloading players anyway, that was what they said when Cook brought him in last summer?



Indeed they did & his reputation in the game for doing so is second to none. But of course Marwood will have been somehow preventing him from doing it. We don't know how, we don't know why, we just know.


Rog I can understand as he is simply protecting his hero Mancini but Cunt Cairo and the Twat of Doom are just serial witch hunters who are best ignored, just gives them oxygen...


I don't mind debating it but I actually think the whole thing is caused by disgruntled ex employees fanning the flames. I also fancy Mancini has a mate lined up for Marwood's job. I hated Marwood as a pundit so I don't care what happens to him. I just don't think all the blame for everything can be laid at his feet.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby Rag_hater » Sun Aug 12, 2012 11:18 am

Seems to me that the Cook lickers are using Marwood as a scapegoat.
No doubt we would have signed somebody if we still had the master negotiater on the books.
As for Adebayor greedy twat.should be paying us.
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby ant london » Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:04 pm

Socrates wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Socrates wrote:I thought John WIlliams was in charge of offloading players anyway, that was what they said when Cook brought him in last summer?



Indeed they did & his reputation in the game for doing so is second to none. But of course Marwood will have been somehow preventing him from doing it. We don't know how, we don't know why, we just know.


Rog I can understand as he is simply protecting his hero Mancini but Cunt Cairo and the Twat of Doom are just serial witch hunters who are best ignored, just gives them oxygen...



Serial witch hunters eh Sex Tourist? I'd like you to try to show an example of our previous witch hunts. But you'll be searching for a while as it is you who's the one with previous form on that isn't it old cuntybollocks
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Re: Emmanuel Greedybayor

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:06 pm

ant london wrote:
Serial witch hunters eh Sex Tourist? I'd like you to try to show an example of our previous witch hunts. But you'll be searching for a while as it is you who's the one with previous form on that isn't it old cuntybollocks


True. Geppetto is grasping at straws because he can't argue the issues properly. Maybe if he wasn't so busy trying to turn a small doll into a real life fuckbuddy then he could concentrate on debating with adults.
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