Defends when he wants..

[Ted Hughes]

Defends when he wants..

Yaya Toure, defends when he wants.

Before all the thought police start:

I THINK YAYA IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

He is capable of doing almost anything anyone else on the pitch can do.

BUT

He can be an absolute liability defensively & some of his defending in the last two home games in particular has been absolutely fucking shocking. It is adding to the uncertainty of the back 4 & while it's ok v the likes of QPR, we need to get back to a solid midfield for the big games, particularly the Champions League.

Either that or tell yaya not to come forward at all, which imo is a complete waste & may still result in him letting a player run off him.

He gives up on doing his defensive job several times per game & if that happens to coincide with a decent pass or strike on goal, it can cost us. If he's in an area of our box for set pieces, he sometimes switches off or fails to spot danger when he really should, with his experience, read the situation.

He CAN defend as well as anybody but sometimes he just doesn't & sometimes if he sees a man in a dangerous area, he just doesn't try go & rescue the situation, even when with his pace he could.

If we have him playing the same role v Real Madrid as he played v QPR & Southampton, they will run all over us.

We need at least two behind him & to treat him the same way as we do Silva or Nasri ie; don't trust him to defend, see it as a bonus when he does.

[Rag_hater]

Defends when he wants..

Yaya Toure, defends when he wants.

Before all the thought police start:

I THINK YAYA IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

He is capable of doing almost anything anyone else on the pitch can do.

BUT

He can be an absolute liability defensively & some of his defending in the last two home games in particular has been absolutely fucking shocking. It is adding to the uncertainty of the back 4 & while it's ok v the likes of QPR, we need to get back to a solid midfield for the big games, particularly the Champions League.

Either that or tell yaya not to come forward at all, which imo is a complete waste & may still result in him letting a player run off him.

He gives up on doing his defensive job several times per game & if that happens to coincide with a decent pass or strike on goal, it can cost us. If he's in an area of our box for set pieces, he sometimes switches off or fails to spot danger when he really should, with his experience, read the situation.

He CAN defend as well as anybody but sometimes he just doesn't & sometimes if he sees a man in a dangerous area, he just doesn't try go & rescue the situation, even when with his pace he could.

If we have him playing the same role v Real Madrid as he played v QPR & Southampton, they will run all over us.

We need at least two behind him & to treat him the same way as we do Silva or Nasri ie; don't trust him to defend, see it as a bonus when he does.

You have been making this complaint for a while and it seems there is being nothing done about it.
The thing is everybody makes mistakes (even that de rossi who has not been hunted by a big club) and considering all the other good stuff Yaya does a few flaws here and there are something you are gonna have to get used to.

[Chinners]

Ha ha, the thread title reminded me of The Snoid, a classic cartoon character from years gone by ...

[Swales4ever]

I think You are almost spot on, not that great news when intelligence of football is concerned.
It's also my very personal opinion that, more than by lazyiess Yaya attitude at defensive tasks is influenced by his huge body and physical demands of the various box to box runs he does pretty every games: I'd tend to call it an experienced management of efforts (which not always works perfectly fine, I do agree)
I also think that You don't have to worry because we will start at Barnabeu almost like this:

[center]Hart
Rodwell Kompany Lescott
Maicon __ Garcia Yaya __ Clichy
Silva __ Tevez
Aguero (Dzeko/Balo)[/center]

[Ted Hughes]

Defends when he wants..

Yaya Toure, defends when he wants.

Before all the thought police start:

I THINK YAYA IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

He is capable of doing almost anything anyone else on the pitch can do.

BUT

He can be an absolute liability defensively & some of his defending in the last two home games in particular has been absolutely fucking shocking. It is adding to the uncertainty of the back 4 & while it's ok v the likes of QPR, we need to get back to a solid midfield for the big games, particularly the Champions League.

Either that or tell yaya not to come forward at all, which imo is a complete waste & may still result in him letting a player run off him.

He gives up on doing his defensive job several times per game & if that happens to coincide with a decent pass or strike on goal, it can cost us. If he's in an area of our box for set pieces, he sometimes switches off or fails to spot danger when he really should, with his experience, read the situation.

He CAN defend as well as anybody but sometimes he just doesn't & sometimes if he sees a man in a dangerous area, he just doesn't try go & rescue the situation, even when with his pace he could.

If we have him playing the same role v Real Madrid as he played v QPR & Southampton, they will run all over us.

We need at least two behind him & to treat him the same way as we do Silva or Nasri ie; don't trust him to defend, see it as a bonus when he does.

You have been making this complaint for a while and it seems there is being nothing done about it.
The thing is everybody makes mistakes (even that de rossi who has not been hunted by a big club) and considering all the other good stuff Yaya does a few flaws here and there are something you are gonna have to get used to.

In typical fashion you are on completely the wrong fucking track.

As I said: I think Yaya is one of the best players in the world.

Now try to figure out the rest of what I'm saying & get back to me.

[Risby]

I agree, but im not sure it is due to choosing to let them go, if you watch him and his body language, he looks shattered after 60-70 mins. In the second half it seems he just gave bursts and he decided to use them going forward. Perhaps its his fitness that needs looking at.

[SmallTimeCharlie]

I think it really is just a bit of laziness on his part, but I think it seems to spread through the whole team.
Yesterday and recently (including 5/13,) it was a case of 'we'll score when we need to.'
As my new best pal Mancio says, he's thinking to conserve energy for going forward. If this is sanctioned by RM, fine. We got the 3 points. But as you say, good teams will buttfuck us if we set up like this and with this attitude, as they will have very good defences, esp Real.
Btw, I trust Silva to do more defending than both Yaya and Nasri, and for 60 minutes he did.
2p..

[Ted Hughes]

I think You are almost spot on, not that great news when intelligence of football is concerned.
It's also my very personal opinion that, more than by lazyiess Yaya attitude at defensive tasks is influenced by his huge body and physical demands of the various box to box runs he does pretty every games: I'd tend to call it an experienced management of efforts (which not always works perfectly fine, I do agree)
I also think that You don't have to worry because we will start at Barnabeu almost like this:

[center]Hart
Rodwell Kompany Lescott
Maicon __ Garcia Yaya __ Clichy
Silva __ Tevez
Aguero (Dzeko/Balo)[/center]

I think (hope) you are probably right about that kind of lineup but I could also imagine

................Hart
....Zabba.. Kompany...Lescott
Maicon ... Garcia.. Barry(Rodwell) ...Clichy
............Silva ....Yaya
...............Aguero( or Tevez Dzeko/Balo)

It just shows the options the new signings have given us immediately, compared to last season.

I also think mr Nasty may come into this equation (not at the B but in the near future). If he's successfully marked Ibrahimovic out of a game in Serie A , & the fact that Bob was willing to gamble on Savic last season, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Nasty played in this kind of line up in the next few months.

[Ted Hughes]

I agree, but im not sure it is due to choosing to let them go, if you watch him and his body language, he looks shattered after 60-70 mins. In the second half it seems he just gave bursts and he decided to use them going forward. Perhaps its his fitness that needs looking at.

The thing is though, if a player is going to be relied upobn in that role, he has to be the kind of player who is ready to give the cliche'd 110% even if his legs are falling off.

When Cavani scored the 2nd in Napoli, Yaya was right behind him & could have just speeded up a little bit & been stood in front of him before the pass came in, but it's almost as if he's thinking "that's not my man" so he doesn't. Stephen Ireland used to do exactly the same thing, even when full of running. What Ireland did v Scholes a few years back (when Scholes scored the winner at ours) is what Yaya has done with Cavani, Ribery etc & did v QPR on Saturday.

A Peter Reid or Brian Robson would be running like fuck to get back, even if they could barely breathe. Yaya won't push himself that hard except on the odd occasion, so imo shouldn't be given that job against a proper midfield.

We should treat him as if he is a forward & make sure he is covered when we play the big teams. If neccessary, stand someone in front of the back 4 & tell them to stay there so Yaya can go.

[Dubaimancityfan]

I just said something similar in the Rodwell post.
You get the best out of Yaya when he has 2 DM's behind him and he doesn't have to worry too much about defending. I think it's obvious that he is most useful close to or in the opposition's box.

[Swales4ever]

I think You are almost spot on, not that great news when intelligence of football is concerned.
It's also my very personal opinion that, more than by lazyiess Yaya attitude at defensive tasks is influenced by his huge body and physical demands of the various box to box runs he does pretty every games: I'd tend to call it an experienced management of efforts (which not always works perfectly fine, I do agree)
I also think that You don't have to worry because we will start at Barnabeu almost like this:

[center]Hart
Rodwell Kompany Lescott
Maicon __ Garcia Yaya __ Clichy
Silva __ Tevez
Aguero (Dzeko/Balo)[/center]

I think (hope) you are probably right about that kind of lineup but I could also imagine

................Hart
....Zabba.. Kompany...Lescott
Maicon ... Garcia.. Barry(Rodwell) ...Clichy
............Silva ....Yaya
...............Aguero( or Tevez Dzeko/Balo)

It just shows the options the new signings have given us immediately, compared to last season.

I also think mr Nasty may come into this equation (not at the B but in the near future). If he's successfully marked Ibrahimovic out of a game in Serie A , & the fact that Bob was willing to gamble on Savic last season, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Nasty played in this kind of line up in the next few months.

I (hope) too, to be honest till the end.
then I'd be perfectly fine with the adjustment of canvass You suggest. I think it'll mainly depend on the very last assessment of single men form. Btw, I was pretty excited by seeing GazBaz pretty hard involved in the training sessions shown on the last issue of Inside City: more recovery advenced than I expected.

[blues2win]

Ted is totally right. Yaya is at his best rampaging forward from deeper positions. Defensively he's often wank. The management should have gone all out to bully Roma into giving up De Rossi; a defensive midfielder who's fantastic at his disciplined work of spotting runs and tackling but is also excellent on the ball and is a real leader on the pitch. Still Garcia from the videos at least looks a real hard man who will do the defensive stuff really well and is at least as mobile as De Jong ( neither of them look particularly mobile) but is far better on the ball than De Jong. He'll also add to our strength at set pieces at both ends of the pitch. Barry will be back soon although pretty obviously Rodwell is being groomed to take over from him in the not so distant future. Once we've got two proper defensive midfielders, left and right, we should look a lot more solid especially with Clichy coming in for Kolarov. Personally I'm not as much of a fan of Lescott as some here and I presume Nastasic will be groomed to take over from him. At least Nastasic comes from a season in a top league unlike Savic. Also I note that the write ups suggest he's a calm player which Savic certainly isn't.

[Blue Since 76]

We've generally looked better when Yaya has been freed to move forwards - not because he's poor defensively but because he gives so much going forwards. Yesterday, with Nasri and Silva playing well, we looked ok up front which highlighted the defensive issues.

I'm not sure we can play with two forwards, Nasri, Silva and Yaya, unless the other midfielder has the defensive qualities of de Jong but with more pace and better passing. Haven't seen Garcia, but not sure he can do that in the premier league immediately, as he'll need to adjust to the pace. 4-2-3-1 still seems the best formation, at least until the new signings have found their feet

[Rag_hater]

To me this thread is just a thinly disguised opportunity for the Yaya haters (the kind of people who need to question what he does)to vent their spleens.If his defending is so shit its a problem you're all gonna have to get used to cos we ain't got saint De Rossi or anybody better.

[Ted Hughes]

To me this thread is just a thinly disguised opportunity for the Yaya haters (the kind of people who need to question what he does)to vent their spleens.If his defending is so shit its a problem you're all gonna have to get used to cos we ain't got saint De Rossi or anybody better.

You are the stupidest person ever to appear on the internet.

[Swales4ever]

To me this thread is just a thinly disguised opportunity for the Yaya haters (the kind of people who need to question what he does)to vent their spleens.If his defending is so shit its a problem you're all gonna have to get used to cos we ain't got saint De Rossi or anybody better.

erm... not sure if i actually get what You mean, but this's how the thread started...

Before all the thought police start:

I THINK YAYA IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

He is capable of doing almost anything anyone else on the pitch can do.

[Rag_hater]

To me this thread is just a thinly disguised opportunity for the Yaya haters (the kind of people who need to question what he does)to vent their spleens.If his defending is so shit its a problem you're all gonna have to get used to cos we ain't got saint De Rossi or anybody better.

erm... not sure if i actually get what You mean, but this's how the thread started...

Before all the thought police start:

I THINK YAYA IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

He is capable of doing almost anything anyone else on the pitch can do.

If you believe that amigo try and see if you can understand what nuance and lies mean.

[Slim]

To me this thread is just a thinly disguised opportunity for the Yaya haters (the kind of people who need to question what he does)to vent their spleens.If his defending is so shit its a problem you're all gonna have to get used to cos we ain't got saint De Rossi or anybody better.

erm... not sure if i actually get what You mean, but this's how the thread started...

Before all the thought police start:

I THINK YAYA IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

He is capable of doing almost anything anyone else on the pitch can do.

If you believe that amigo try and see if you can understand what nuance and lies mean.

Serious question, how old are you?

[brite blu sky]

Defends when he wants..

Yaya Toure, defends when he wants.

Before all the thought police start:

I THINK YAYA IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

He is capable of doing almost anything anyone else on the pitch can do.

BUT

He can be an absolute liability defensively & some of his defending in the last two home games in particular has been absolutely fucking shocking. It is adding to the uncertainty of the back 4 & while it's ok v the likes of QPR, we need to get back to a solid midfield for the big games, particularly the Champions League.

Either that or tell yaya not to come forward at all, which imo is a complete waste & may still result in him letting a player run off him.

He gives up on doing his defensive job several times per game & if that happens to coincide with a decent pass or strike on goal, it can cost us. If he's in an area of our box for set pieces, he sometimes switches off or fails to spot danger when he really should, with his experience, read the situation.

He CAN defend as well as anybody but sometimes he just doesn't & sometimes if he sees a man in a dangerous area, he just doesn't try go & rescue the situation, even when with his pace he could.

If we have him playing the same role v Real Madrid as he played v QPR & Southampton, they will run all over us.

We need at least two behind him & to treat him the same way as we do Silva or Nasri ie; don't trust him to defend, see it as a bonus when he does.

Yes this is correct and nothing seems to get done about it.. or maybe it does as Yaya consistently starts the season like this and slowly slowly gets better as it goes on. Iether there is more fight in him when he feels there is something to lose, or the staff do have a go at him and it takes a while for it to have an effect... then he slips back to what he wants to do and the whole cycle starts again with a fresh season.

It is infruriating to be honest as he knows better, just seemingly can't be arsed.

There are only two minor flaws to Yaya's game, one is this and tother is making silly petulant tackles and getting booked, niether are necessary and both are easy to cut out. Doesn't make sense does it.

[Rag_hater]

To me this thread is just a thinly disguised opportunity for the Yaya haters (the kind of people who need to question what he does)to vent their spleens.If his defending is so shit its a problem you're all gonna have to get used to cos we ain't got saint De Rossi or anybody better.

erm... not sure if i actually get what You mean, but this's how the thread started...

Before all the thought police start:

I THINK YAYA IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD.

He is capable of doing almost anything anyone else on the pitch can do.

If you believe that amigo try and see if you can understand what nuance and lies mean.

Serious question, how old are you?

Serious answer is I don't know,was born in a stable like Jesus about 47 or 46 years ago They didn't have birth certificates there.