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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby PALUS » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:41 pm

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Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:My problem with Suarez as stated above was that he didn't show kind of desire I want to see from kids. Sure older players didn't help him, and fuck them for not helping the kid

Like I said in another thread, I feel that had Balo and Dzeko got in to help him out more, he'd have panicked. The midfield seemed crowded and clumsy a lot of the time to me, and I don't think either of them dropping back/infield would have helped his predicament.

And defence shite again.
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby JonnyAsh » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:52 pm

Good point about Rekik. How for behind Nastasic is Rekik in terms of skill and development?
He has been heralded in the same bracket for the future as Suarez and Razak, but doesn't seem to feature, and I wonder how he took the signing of young Nasty, who is also lined up as one for the future, and has been given a couple of chances right away?
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby Hazy2 » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:03 am

Ted, good topic, One thing under Mancini we lack at times is a a quality ball out of defence not a hoof, we tend to run with the ball, Tevez for one wants the early ball for him to work with Kun the same, for me we need to mix it up more. poss wrong topic sorry.
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:07 am

PALUS wrote:
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I'm surprised people are heaping praise on Razak relative to Suarez. Razak was more involved yes, but from where I was sitting he was more involved negatively that positively. Dwelled, miscontrolled, mis-passed, created scoring opportunities for Villa. Yeah he showed the odd flash, but if that was me out there, I'd be extremely pissed off with myself, given that there is quality under there which was outweighed by shite.


Razak was on his own in midfield though almost all night. Barry clearly wasn't fit (so why did he play in Madrid?). Milner was pinned back when we had 3 at the back and then went to right back. Suarez was mostly anonymous and Kolarov scored a free kick and apart from that he, er, can't think of anything.

I'd like to see Razak get some games in a proper midfield when the team is performing before passing judgement. If last night is all he's gotten he's not good enough, but there were flashes there providing he can learn from his mistakes


The midfield was much much much worse with Milner & Barry compared to Razak & Barry (apart from Razak getting caught in possession). Conditions were bad & Milner, Tevez, Barry & most of Villa's midfield all passed the ball worse than Razak.

That Kid Suarez i catch him only few times because we dont have cups here until it s close to be over , i like him he had nice work rate and hes quick all that u need for let say next Silva , do he have that quality u watch him more.Is there a game that he shine .


Suarez did very little wrong & a few nice touches but he didn't contribute to the game, wheras Razak was sometimes excellent & sometimes shite but was very very involved, pretty much all the time.

Re Rekik. From the little I've seen of him, I would expect him to be better than Nastasic by the time he is 19 & I would think that he's as good or better now, but I would be very wary of playing him in the first team. What do we do with both of them though ? Both are almost good enough but not quite ready imo. I think Rekik could be something truly special IF he continues to progress though & he must be either playing regularly for us or for someone else in order to learn his trade. Same with Nasti; we have to play him in some games now we have signed him & going out of the League Cup means that we will have to risk harming the team to get them upto speed. I suppose we could play the pair of them in every single EDS game to make sure they are sharp if/when called upon.


The only other option is to loan both of them out & use Micah as cover for CB.

Suarez made the point that, if we were in Spain, City would have a B team playing in the 3rd division & that the players would then be able to learn to play together in the style of our club at a decent standard rather than be sent out on loan. This interview, imo, was a veiled warning from him that he could leave if he doesn't get higher standard football. I think he's right to consider that.

As we can't replicate that in this country, it's imperative that this new Premier Reserve League takes off imo. I think that, at that level, the constant changeover of players should be lessened & the very best lads should be given the chance to learn their positions in a replica of the 1st team, as Suarez says. They need to be sharpening up their skills for top level football in a competitive environment. At the moment, any old player in any old position seems to be the norm at City (mind you that might be good training for our first team! Arf.) I agree with that at lower levels but this EDS needs to be a proper team containing only the very best players, mainly in their correct positions imo.

Another option is to take over a team abroad.
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby blues2win » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:14 pm

Is Nastasic significantly better than Savic though Ted? In my view he is in his positional play, two footedness and pace but I'd be interested in your view.
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby Mase » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:20 pm

blues2win wrote:Is Nastasic significantly better than Savic though Ted? In my view he is in his positional play, two footedness and pace but I'd be interested in your view.


Why?
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:14 am

blues2win wrote:Is Nastasic significantly better than Savic though Ted? In my view he is in his positional play, two footedness and pace but I'd be interested in your view.


He's better at everything than Savic imo. Nastasic has all the basics to work on, from what I can see. In the case of Savic, I couldn't see anything to work on. It could be that he was frightened to death but if that's the case, he's frightened at international level too, because he was shit for Montengro too when I watched him.

Savic is nearly two years older than Nastasic. I would expect Nasti to have learned from his mistakes & be a much better player a year from now. In fact I would expect him to be a lot better a few months from now.

Could you find anything in Savic which was better than a typical reserve team CB ? Matt Mills for instance ? I couldn't see it personally.
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby blues2win » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:46 am

I felt slightly sorry Savic in one respect. With injuries to the other centre backs he was thrust into big matches , made some bad errors and completely lost his confidence. Having said that he was shite and was rightly sold. Nastasic is younger as you say and has played in a proper league. He looks a far better prospect. Presumably Kolo will disappear at the end of the season so we'll need another centre back then.
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:03 pm

blues2win wrote:I felt slightly sorry Savic in one respect. With injuries to the other centre backs he was thrust into big matches , made some bad errors and completely lost his confidence. Having said that he was shite and was rightly sold. Nastasic is younger as you say and has played in a proper league. He looks a far better prospect. Presumably Kolo will disappear at the end of the season so we'll need another centre back then.


Agreed....and I know exactly who we need to step into the side and who we should have bought this summer....







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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby Dameerto » Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:11 pm

I'm looking at Gallas and how he's doing for Spurs lately and he could have done a job for us when he was available on a free. I didn't think so at the time though. Hind sight and all that.
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby Mase » Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:16 pm

Dameerto wrote:I'm looking at Gallas and how he's doing for Spurs lately and he could have done a job for us when he was available on a free. I didn't think so at the time though. Hind sight and all that.


He would never have come. Him and Nasri had a very public fall out at Arse. They didn't shake hands after Gallas went to Spurs in the pre-match handshake.
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Re: The kids tonight (in Ted's opinion).

Postby Dameerto » Sat Sep 29, 2012 6:24 pm

Mase wrote:
Dameerto wrote:I'm looking at Gallas and how he's doing for Spurs lately and he could have done a job for us when he was available on a free. I didn't think so at the time though. Hind sight and all that.


He would never have come. Him and Nasri had a very public fall out at Arse. They didn't shake hands after Gallas went to Spurs in the pre-match handshake.


I don't think he'd have wanted to move north anyway.
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