Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

[Tokyo Blue]

@ Sparty,
....and therein lies a major problem that City seem to encounter more than the rags. Those little niggly nothing free kicks, not worth a yellow card but effective at stopping City gaining momentum and building pressure. The nothing decisions given that allow our opponents the chance to relieve pressure and regroup. The insignificant decisions that happen throughout a game but get forgotten.

Considering that only goal difference split City and the rags last season and the fact that, as Ted pointed out, the rags have already gained a 6pt advantage from disgusting reffing decisions, those big decisions are crucial too.

I really don't like referees....never have.

I remember the home game against liverpool in the cup at our place last January. I think the ref was lee mason. Every time we attacked them through the midfield they fouled us. The ref gave the free-kicks (mostly) but didn't book anyone. The scousers could therefore constantly stop the flow of our game with impunity. No big deal but the ref basically helped them cheat us out of that game (not to mention the penalty and what should have been the sending-off of Johnson).

Not to mention the red card for Gareth Barry.

[dazby]

I think we commit a lot of fouls because when we don't have the ball we are very aggressive trying to get it back. It's all part of our pressing game. We often commit many players forward so when we do turn the ball over a foul is a great way of giving ourselves the opportunity to get back.

That's a good theory but when you see the attacks Arsenal had for instance, most could have been stopped with a foul, but few were; we chose to try & defend it fairly instead. Same with the breakaways by Southampton, QPR & Villa.

We know a team not far away from here who would have a certain range of assorted gingas kicking people's legs from underneath them in the same circumstances though don't we ?

Their game v Spurs they had marginally less of everything attacking wise than we did at Fulham & slightly less possession. They conceded 5 fouls, we conceded 12. Do you genuinely think we will have been more than twice as 'aggressive' as Utd in our game?

How many times though do you have an issue with the fouls that have been given against us? It may very well be that we are marked harder than the opposition but when a foul is given against us they are normally correct decisions.

[Ted Hughes]

I think we commit a lot of fouls because when we don't have the ball we are very aggressive trying to get it back. It's all part of our pressing game. We often commit many players forward so when we do turn the ball over a foul is a great way of giving ourselves the opportunity to get back.

That's a good theory but when you see the attacks Arsenal had for instance, most could have been stopped with a foul, but few were; we chose to try & defend it fairly instead. Same with the breakaways by Southampton, QPR & Villa.

We know a team not far away from here who would have a certain range of assorted gingas kicking people's legs from underneath them in the same circumstances though don't we ?

Their game v Spurs they had marginally less of everything attacking wise than we did at Fulham & slightly less possession. They conceded 5 fouls, we conceded 12. Do you genuinely think we will have been more than twice as 'aggressive' as Utd in our game?

How many times though do you have an issue with the fouls that have been given against us? It may very well be that we are marked harder than the opposition but when a foul is given against us they are normally correct decisions.

I can't agree with that. Not in comparison to the opposition. It's the complete opposite for me, as if the oppo gets special considration to foul us as if it's somehow 'understandable' fouling considering how much passing we do; otherwise they wouldn't get the ball. Stoke being a prime example. Constantly fouling, constantly being allowed to. Without the fouls, they don't even figure in the game, it's just City playing v a bunch of traffic cones. They actually foul whilst in possession.

[Rag_hater]

So unless you agree with the paras who think the unbeaten side so far is being cheated every week your'e a rag.Fuck me me loads have told me I'm stupid but there aint half been some bollox on this thread.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

So unless you agree with the paras who think the unbeaten side so far is being cheated every week your'e a rag.Fuck me me loads have told me I'm stupid but there aint half been some bollox on this thread.

That was a bit of a delayed reaction. Ashton called you a Rag this morning and you already responded to it. Why are you posting about it now again? Trying to dodge questions by any chance?

[dazby]

I think we commit a lot of fouls because when we don't have the ball we are very aggressive trying to get it back. It's all part of our pressing game. We often commit many players forward so when we do turn the ball over a foul is a great way of giving ourselves the opportunity to get back.

That's a good theory but when you see the attacks Arsenal had for instance, most could have been stopped with a foul, but few were; we chose to try & defend it fairly instead. Same with the breakaways by Southampton, QPR & Villa.

We know a team not far away from here who would have a certain range of assorted gingas kicking people's legs from underneath them in the same circumstances though don't we ?

Their game v Spurs they had marginally less of everything attacking wise than we did at Fulham & slightly less possession. They conceded 5 fouls, we conceded 12. Do you genuinely think we will have been more than twice as 'aggressive' as Utd in our game?

How many times though do you have an issue with the fouls that have been given against us? It may very well be that we are marked harder than the opposition but when a foul is given against us they are normally correct decisions.

I can't agree with that. Not in comparison to the opposition. It's the complete opposite for me, as if the oppo gets special considration to foul us as if it's somehow 'understandable' fouling considering how much passing we do; otherwise they wouldn't get the ball. Stoke being a prime example. Constantly fouling, constantly being allowed to. Without the fouls, they don't even figure in the game, it's just City playing v a bunch of traffic cones. They actually foul whilst in possession.

That's not what I asked you Ted. How many times a game do you see a foul given against us when you think it was a bad call? For me, 2 or 3 times a game. I also think we get away with the odd one or two as well.

[john68]

Dazzler,
That is part of the problem Mate. When a foul is called in a crucial area, we make a big deal of it. When a foul is committed in what is regarded as a non dangerous or crucial position, we don't consider it as important, often ignore it and let it go without the same forensic critique.

Those decisions are often critical in stopping us building momentum and pressure and allowing opponents to regroup and reposition.

[Original Dub]

Dazzler,
That is part of the problem Mate. When a foul is called in a crucial area, we make a big deal of it. When a foul is committed in what is regarded as a non dangerous or crucial position, we don't consider it as important, often ignore it and let it go without the same forensic critique.

Those decisions are often critical in stopping us building momentum and pressure and allowing opponents to regroup and reposition.

Brilliant post and the main gripe I have. The decisions in the penalty area are obvious and still folk on here can't see how the rags get more in their favour....

But when you see how referees quite often cripple our momentum in games through silly free kicks being given to the oppo, you really are at the centre of the problem.

[Im_Spartacus]

So, we are hearing that Chris Foy has been demoted to league two this weekend, whilst Halseyhas two 4th official appointments.

Coincidence, or a lesson to Foy for presiding over a rag defeat?

Clattenburg has refereed two united games in over 2 full seasons. One was a 4.0 defeat at west ham away, amd the other, a full year later was the 6-1 to us. He has not refereed a united game since then.

How the fuck can anyone not see this for what it is. Even when poll and winter have gone on record about having a bad united game means a strong possibility of no games at old (eg on the biggest stage) for a few years, and saying it "focuses your mind when refereeing united" people still dont believe there is something going on with referee selection?

The mind boggles

[ashton287]

No fucking way have they demoted foy and done nothing about Halsey. How the fuck can they get away with this shit.

No one will know about this without looking for it so I can understand the average football fan not seeing it going on but how can foy just accept that shit and not speak out?. He has been punished for doing his job. He needs to make some noise about it and force the FA to explain the decision in public and then show them a video of halseys last 2 games and ask why the fuck he hasn't been punished.

[leomcfc]

U are kidding!! What's he bin demoted for? Not adding enough time?

[ashton287]

I can only imagine it was not giving the 2 penalties united should of obviously had. Not stopping play enough in the first half when spurs were dominating. Not booking enough spurs players. Not sending a spurs player off AND not knowing about fergies new 1 minute per sub rule that he invented during the game.

[leomcfc]

Honestly can't believe they have had the balls to do it when they must know people are wising up to this . Shocking

[zuricity]

It us this kind of thing that sends signals around the world of manipulation. It is quite ridiculous, especially since we have so few good referees anyway.

[ashton287]

It us this kind of thing that sends signals around the world of manipulation. It is quite ridiculous, especially since we have so few good referees anyway.

Or it would if anyone knew about it. It will all be very quiet though. You won't see it reported anywhere and the world will be non the wiser.

[zuricity]

Or it would if anyone knew about it. It will all be very quiet though. You won't see it reported anywhere and the world will be non the wiser.

Well it's reached Zürich. You can bet i'll be busting plastic red fans balls next weekend

[Beefymcfc]

No fucking way have they demoted foy and done nothing about Halsey. How the fuck can they get away with this shit.

No one will know about this without looking for it so I can understand the average football fan not seeing it going on but how can foy just accept that shit and not speak out?. He has been punished for doing his job. He needs to make some noise about it and force the FA to explain the decision in public and then show them a video of halseys last 2 games and ask why the fuck he hasn't been punished.

The problem for Foy is that he couldn't do more to affect the result, Halsey tried his best.

[Im_Spartacus]

No fucking way have they demoted foy and done nothing about Halsey. How the fuck can they get away with this shit.

No one will know about this without looking for it so I can understand the average football fan not seeing it going on but how can foy just accept that shit and not speak out?. He has been punished for doing his job. He needs to make some noise about it and force the FA to explain the decision in public and then show them a video of halseys last 2 games and ask why the fuck he hasn't been punished.

I would imagine, like everyone else on the gravy train, he will keep his mouth shut until he retires.

Hopefully he will at least have the decency to speak out like the other recently retired refs have done, but even after that people still choose to ignore the maipulation of officials

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Foy demoted after a rag loss? Fucking incredible. He'll not allow that to happen again.

[Ted Hughes]

I think we commit a lot of fouls because when we don't have the ball we are very aggressive trying to get it back. It's all part of our pressing game. We often commit many players forward so when we do turn the ball over a foul is a great way of giving ourselves the opportunity to get back.

That's a good theory but when you see the attacks Arsenal had for instance, most could have been stopped with a foul, but few were; we chose to try & defend it fairly instead. Same with the breakaways by Southampton, QPR & Villa.

We know a team not far away from here who would have a certain range of assorted gingas kicking people's legs from underneath them in the same circumstances though don't we ?

Their game v Spurs they had marginally less of everything attacking wise than we did at Fulham & slightly less possession. They conceded 5 fouls, we conceded 12. Do you genuinely think we will have been more than twice as 'aggressive' as Utd in our game?

How many times though do you have an issue with the fouls that have been given against us? It may very well be that we are marked harder than the opposition but when a foul is given against us they are normally correct decisions.

I can't agree with that. Not in comparison to the opposition. It's the complete opposite for me, as if the oppo gets special considration to foul us as if it's somehow 'understandable' fouling considering how much passing we do; otherwise they wouldn't get the ball. Stoke being a prime example. Constantly fouling, constantly being allowed to. Without the fouls, they don't even figure in the game, it's just City playing v a bunch of traffic cones. They actually foul whilst in possession.

That's not what I asked you Ted. How many times a game do you see a foul given against us when you think it was a bad call? For me, 2 or 3 times a game. I also think we get away with the odd one or two as well.

I was answering that; no I don't agree that we get a fair call on fouls when you see the standard set by a ref in a particular game.

Sure we do get away with one or two, as does everybody, but I see people like Aguero/Tevez penalised for pushing or pulling a defender when they too are pushing him, then I see the exact same incident at the other end result in a free kick to the oppo attacker, where in reality neither was a free kick. In the case of Balotelli, they get it wrong in favour of the oppo once in every two challenges & people (even some City fans) say it's his own fault. He gets away with very little & defenders get away with quite a lot against him. Reffering to Stoke again; we were getting pulled up regularly for stuff Stoke were being allowed to get away with. If Mario did the slightest thing he was penalised, whilst they were allowed to kick lumps out of him. The criteria for a foul should be the same for both sides but often it's not.

Almost every challenge Crouch makes is illegal, so rather than pull him up every time, theylet him have a few for free. Same with Scholes & his 'tackling' which should result in at least one booking every game. If Mario even looks annoyed when they kick him, he gets a card just for being pissed off, without actually doing anything.