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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:33 pm

blues2win wrote:I'm only speculating but I doubt Mancini is pleased at the layer of authority between he and Khaldoun. I'm pleased that Marwood has been replaced as Director of Football. The recruitment of Scott Sinclair was taking the piss. Has anyone, Doug included, seen any sign at all that he's remotely good enough for where the Club's going? I can't believe Mancini had anything to do with it.

Is Mancini under pressure? Of course he is. If he doesn't walk out in a fit of pique this season,which is unlikely but not impossible, he will have to do far better in the CL next season, assuming we have a decent League campaign which probably means winning the title again or very close to it. The sheikh didn't spend all that money in order to qualify for the Europa Cup with third place in the CL league phase, assuming we manage third place this season that is.


Why do you think they would allow Marwood to sign Scott Sinclair ? What have Khaldoon or Sheikh Mansour got to gain by doing that ? To wind up Mancini ?
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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby Hazy2 » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:22 pm

Just a guess but RM could be looking at this as a big problem, Anyone would want Pep, and they will want him. No ?
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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby stefano » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:26 pm

a couple of week ago i called ted hughes "the english paulus"

well.... i was wrong and i need to apologise...

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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby blues2win » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:35 pm

Ted perhaps because he was in charge of signings and they backed his judgement. What does Khaldoun know about SS? Do you really think Mancini wanted him?
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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby JamieMCFC » Sun Oct 28, 2012 8:00 pm

Isn't Burgerstain the one Barca fans didn't like and wanted out of the club because of the signings the club made under him?
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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:51 pm

stefano wrote:a couple of week ago i called ted hughes "the english paulus"

well.... i was wrong and i need to apologise...

to paulus.


Thanks for reminding us. Have you posted anything else, or is that it ?
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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:54 pm

blues2win wrote:Ted perhaps because he was in charge of signings and they backed his judgement. What does Khaldoun know about SS? Do you really think Mancini wanted him?


I honestly can't find a reason for anyone signing Sinclair, other than Mancini, so yes.

I'm not knocking the signing btw, I think Bob is right not to play him right now, the last thing we need is an untried winger when the team shape is in chaos.
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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby Swales4ever » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:34 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Mancio, us discussing the absolutely obvious & genuine possibility that the new bosses may replace Mancini if results don't go as expected, will destabilise the club ?

Do you honestly think for one second that if a club brings in the former management team of Barcelona & the former team coach of Barca is currently unemployed, that the world's press are all waiting for a few knobs on Mancityfans.net to come up with the possibility of him replacing Mancini ? They really won't mention this if we keep quiet ? Really ? It never occurred to them ?

Get real ffs. Guardiola is going to be linked with this job until either he gets it or he gets a job somewhere else. What the fuck else could possibly happen if you appoint the blokes who gave him the Barca job ? The press will be all over this week in week out.

As far as Mancini's 5 year contract goes, for one: the Sheikh is not so stupid that he won't have put clauses in it, one of which is probably qualification for the Champions League later stages, two: if you bring in a management team like this you are not doing it short term & you are not doing it as a trial to see if they can work with the manager, they are here to stay, you are putting them in charge of the club, manager, everything, three: they did not give Mancini a five year contract, Khaldoon & the Sheikh did (probably in consultation with football people such as the incompetent Marwood & others) & these guys would not take the job if they weren't given the assurances that they would be allowed do it to the best of their ability. If that means that they decide changing the manager is the way to go, they will do it, & won't even miss a beat.

Marwood, Mancini & most of the players, are on trial here, make no mistake.

Mate: do I have to get real?
please read Your post and You'll find the answer from Yourself... honestly and with all respect that we both know I have for You: a 5 year contract it's not a 5 year contract because there should be a clause; the best blokes available for a manager who want to buy personnel for playing passing & moving game are, instead, in to clear off the manager; a manager, You all keep failing to pay attention, that come from a tradition which is different from the English one: continental manager, and moreso italians, are more than happy to share the market decision with the CEO/Chairmen and sporting directors. all Mancini wants is a team of qualified professionals that when they come to AD and meet the Sheikh and agreed certain moves on the market, then those move come true, instead of getting Scott Sinclair and Jack Rodwell on the touchline when the preseason is over. Did You see today Hazard, Mata and Oscar passing and moving like they were the London Philarmonica? Do You know what personnel Mancini agreed with Khakdon and Mansur in May? Are You the same Ted Hughes who have eloquently dissertated for almost an year on what kind of player might take the Mancini system forward?
But yet You keep inferring that Mancini wanted AJ, Sinclair and Rodwell, instead of Sanchez, Mata, Hazard, Goetze and maybe Muniain? And that's why? why the hell he should come to AD ask and agree with Owner and Chairman always the same kind of player, that You have so eloquently portrayed many times, only to end with the usual King Kenny/Mark Hughesesque kind of vintage players of unproven quality???
Please, my friend, at least tell me that You get some fees to advocate the shoe - seller! In the meanwhile we will have a laugh together when next window, having finally put all the wheels in the engine, we will enjoy a professional devised and executed market strategy, from the meeting in AD to the unveil of the new acquisition/s within the start of the preseason training camp.

as for destabilising: for one, I never said and more importantly nor even thought that You deem to undermine. You are one of the most genuine breed and born Blue who only seek for the best for Your beloved Club and I can only try to learn from You how to love this Club. But one stated the obvious, don't You think that when the most influential fans among closed circles keep stirring shite, that shite then spread around other circles, talked into the pubs and ends up with moaning and booing on the stadium stands? why do You think that this great Club have suffered probably the longest rollercaster of anarchy ever experienced by a major FC? Is it because the Club have always been skint over the last 4 decades or because any project had been undermined by the lack of patience and moaning? Do really have myself come to fucking Italy to explain to You the qualities of stability or what You stated countless times about the patience offered to Taggart can benefit also the main Club of Manchester?

Yet again, as You taught to everyone, the best manager is the one who makes less mistakes and is capable to learn from them, Mancini has already proved in the 2 most difficult leagues that he has a bright idea of football; an idea which has already paid some dividends, either in term of silverware and entertainment. A manager of this quality is to be sacked for one reason only, if it is proved beyond doubt that he is not capable to keep hold of the team! I had my first worry about such a casualty last season at the Emirates game: I was wrong and it ended in glory (some tosser keep saying despite him!). Now I have started feeling the same by the comparison of the WBA and Ajax performances: one of the weirdest thing I saw in football. I do swear and repeat that, if the season will give evidence that this fear has come to reality, I'll be first to take a plane and come to Carrington to give him the boot, personally! since then, while, for a change, we do not stop echoeing the shite made up upon Taggart's screanplay, whether they have a logical ground or not?
and for Your info, Pep Guardiola loves Catalunya as very few does and after claiming that he lost desire for active football he has been reported several times to have interest in enter the Catalan politics: this summer the "logic of the media" have massively linked him with Abramovic, who can offer almost the same challenge than City, possibly even more, when You consider that he uses to deal with his business more "unconventionally" than our beloved Owners and that his Club is based in one of the most attractive cities in the world. In spite he is still enjoying the sabbatical he had announced.
are You ready to bet with me on where will respectively be Mancini and Marwood in two-three years time?
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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:42 am

I'm not betting on anything. I'm just telling you the absolute fact that these people would not accept this job if they thought they were being forced to follow the path set by Khaldoon & Marwood.

City have a meeting at the end of the season in which they evaluate how the previous season has gone & balance what needs to be done to improve it, against what can realistically be done. In the past, that would have been mainly people such as Gary Cook & Marwood, neither of whom were appointed by Khaldoon, reporting to Khaldoon, the bloke who has a good relationship with Mancini & gave Mancini his job, for him to make a decision what to do next.

From now on it will be Soriano & Tricky, telling Khaldoon what needs to be done & Khaldoon doing his best to help them implement those reccomendations. If Bob has a decent season, that recommendation will be to carry on & give him 'x' to spend on players. If he has a poor season that recommendation will be to get rid of him, bring in someone else & give him 'x' to spend on players.

Whatever flannel they hand out to the media, they are checking out replacements for Bob right now, & will do every year even if he is here for the next 20 years (which I hope he is). That's how it will be. Just as it was for Rikjaard & Pep at Barca.

As for the summer signings, of course Mancini didn't want Sinclair & Garcia etc as 1st choices, but he still chose to spend £50 mil of the Sheikh's money on them rather than wait & spend it on one player in Jan. That will be mentioned in the evaluation.
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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby Alex Sapphire » Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:38 am

Ted Hughes wrote:I'm not betting on anything. I'm just telling you the absolute fact that these people would not accept this job if they thought they were being forced to follow the path set by Khaldoon & Marwood.

City have a meeting at the end of the season in which they evaluate how the previous season has gone & balance what needs to be done to improve it, against what can realistically be done. In the past, that would have been mainly people such as Gary Cook & Marwood, neither of whom were appointed by Khaldoon, reporting to Khaldoon, the bloke who has a good relationship with Mancini & gave Mancini his job, for him to make a decision what to do next.

From now on it will be Soriano & Tricky, telling Khaldoon what needs to be done & Khaldoon doing his best to help them implement those reccomendations. If Bob has a decent season, that recommendation will be to carry on & give him 'x' to spend on players. If he has a poor season that recommendation will be to get rid of him, bring in someone else & give him 'x' to spend on players.

Whatever flannel they hand out to the media, they are checking out replacements for Bob right now, & will do every year even if he is here for the next 20 years (which I hope he is). That's how it will be. Just as it was for Rikjaard & Pep at Barca.

As for the summer signings, of course Mancini didn't want Sinclair & Garcia etc as 1st choices, but he still chose to spend £50 mil of the Sheikh's money on them rather than wait & spend it on one player in Jan. That will be mentioned in the evaluation.


I agree with most of what you say, but using the term "absolute fact" is a bit provocative.
In the Barca model the coach becomes largely irrelevent (they've had 15 while the festering Scot has been tarnishing the name of this great city), but under these two there was relative stability and success (after a scrappy start). Rijkard's capabilities as a manager are best measured by "what happens next" and in his case that's obscurity. Pep is not necessarily anyone's man.
However, is it not possible that the motivation in theseappointments is not to undermine those that are already here on the football side, but rather to give Khaldoon his exit?
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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby Swales4ever » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:38 pm

Don't even dare to bring in some logic - my dear Alex - when the words Marwood and Mancini are involved in the same thread of reasoning.
I'd like to bet - reasonably - and I bet that the clueless coach will take part in the annual review next May in AD, and not just in attendace.

but because I never forget that Ted is our own Colin Bell, I am very glad to cencede that the last sentence make a very strong point: I was disaapointed as well of that agreement and made me rise yet another question on his capability to stamp his "footballing authority" insideout the changing room: the Emirates game, that waste of Sheikh dosh and the Ajax game are definitely not what I extect from someone who has the honour to be gaffer at MCFC.

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Re: Tricky Burgerstain/Soriano etc

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:11 pm

Alex Sapphire wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I'm not betting on anything. I'm just telling you the absolute fact that these people would not accept this job if they thought they were being forced to follow the path set by Khaldoon & Marwood.

City have a meeting at the end of the season in which they evaluate how the previous season has gone & balance what needs to be done to improve it, against what can realistically be done. In the past, that would have been mainly people such as Gary Cook & Marwood, neither of whom were appointed by Khaldoon, reporting to Khaldoon, the bloke who has a good relationship with Mancini & gave Mancini his job, for him to make a decision what to do next.

From now on it will be Soriano & Tricky, telling Khaldoon what needs to be done & Khaldoon doing his best to help them implement those reccomendations. If Bob has a decent season, that recommendation will be to carry on & give him 'x' to spend on players. If he has a poor season that recommendation will be to get rid of him, bring in someone else & give him 'x' to spend on players.

Whatever flannel they hand out to the media, they are checking out replacements for Bob right now, & will do every year even if he is here for the next 20 years (which I hope he is). That's how it will be. Just as it was for Rikjaard & Pep at Barca.

As for the summer signings, of course Mancini didn't want Sinclair & Garcia etc as 1st choices, but he still chose to spend £50 mil of the Sheikh's money on them rather than wait & spend it on one player in Jan. That will be mentioned in the evaluation.


I agree with most of what you say, but using the term "absolute fact" is a bit provocative.
In the Barca model the coach becomes largely irrelevent (they've had 15 while the festering Scot has been tarnishing the name of this great city), but under these two there was relative stability and success (after a scrappy start). Rijkard's capabilities as a manager are best measured by "what happens next" and in his case that's obscurity. Pep is not necessarily anyone's man.
However, is it not possible that the motivation in theseappointments is not to undermine those that are already here on the football side, but rather to give Khaldoon his exit?


Absolutely.

They haven't been brought in to cause trouble, they have been brought in to do what is best for the club. If they think that keeping Mancini on for five years is the best option, then they'll do it. Alternatively, if they think getting rid of him is the best option, they'll do that. Before Tricky came in, I was absolutely convinced that Bob would get another chance next season pretty much whatever happened, but having read up on Tricky over the last few days, I think Bob will have to perform well to stay in a job & that goes for Marwood & the players too. Mario for instance, will no longer be protected imo.
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