***official chumps vs ajax match thread***

[Im_Spartacus]

Ha ha ha, Celtic 1 up against Barca.

Fuck, left them out of my goals galore bet tonight

[Swales4ever]

And all that from a supporter of a team that has Sam Alladyce as manager ....... the very Sam Alladyce that has won fuck all with his long ball shite and wouldnt have the first clue how to manage a team of world class superstars performing at the top of the premier league and also in europe. Big donkey up front , kevin fuckin Nolan in every team he has managed for the last 10 years thats his limit ffs ! Sam Alladyce actually reached his limit as a manager with Bolton Wanderers ! nuff said !
Oh and the porn industry running West Ham FC ........ a dozen rampant rabbits would do a better fuckin job !

What's your point?

Why attack the bloke when he is giving a valid, unbiased and considered opinion.

I think some fans think we are beyond being criticised. We deserve all the shit that is thrown at us IMO at present as we have been awful. Not a patch on the big power house we were last year. People are being blinkered if they can't see that we have some work to do.

Still have to replay to the genuine, naive effort of Our Dear Walmai, to show me that he's not breeding the Phil mc Nullity or Henry Winter' seeds.
But Ladies, Legends and City players come first, moreso when they are summed up in a sole person.

so Fu,

I hope You are not counting me amongst the blinkered people as, with my usual limits of language and inability for shortcuts, I plainly said that the current shambles are mainly due to a mislead stubborn desire of Mancini to keep adding additional competence (the back three set up, this time) to a Team full of class and skill that he wants able and capable to adjust of every tactical demand in a single game and a whole season.
Once fixed it, probably next summer if he will prove wise enough to cut the losses of his stubborn decision of doing it the wrong summer without the full personnel involved, he will keep adding further competence to his team, untill they will be able to take full advantage from their massive class, flexibility and workrate.
Hence plenty of work to be done.

In my humble opinion, we are going to revert to steady use of the only defensive set up that our lads have proven capable to perform very effectively and we will back to last season tightness in three or four games maximum.
If I am wrong and the season will end in tears (which doesn't mean finishing second in the League with a decent run or better in the National Cup and the Waffa Cup) Mansur and Khaldoon shall cut assess the result and cut the losses as per the successful and wise businessmen They are.
In the meanwhile I am sure that the almost totality of the Blues will keep singing the Blues out loud and stand tall right behind the present incumbent, making laugh of the shite thrown at us, through the media, from Old Trafford.
That's unless we all have turned in a global bunch of success at all cost greedy rags. which I am sure we are not even remotely.

EDITED:

[highlight]I see a PR disaster at the moment with MCFC , its fans and the media .[/highlight]

[Swales4ever]

Yet again, our welcome Cockney Mate, if You are interested in the atmosphere and spirit of the City camp, You MUST read Sir DH's reports, rather than the Fail and the Sun. Take it a as a very decent bet, It might help to enhance Your global understanding.

Just for clarity, my observation of what seems to be going on is from what I see of your play (having now watched a handful of full matches since the season's start). I don't even read those papers.

Quite a few things puzzle me.

Your defence is a mess. Sorry, but it is. Not a single player's fault, to my eyes, more a question of perhaps a new system that otherwise decent players are being caught out by. There's no way on earth you should have conceded both of those goals yesterday. Once is a mistake, for sure, but the second suggested nobody was heeding the warning signs. A free header on the corner of the 6 yard box is unforgivable. It would be at West Ham or Wrexham and it surprised me to sit and watch it.

Secondly, the team doesn't seem tuned in to Mancini's game anywhere near as much as it was last season.

Thirdly, there is little natural width to your play.

Finally, Mancini and Balotelli seem to be at each other's throats.

The former's days are numbered, imvho, unless this problem - which makes City look less than a sum of its very decent parts - between the dugout and the pitch can be rectified.

Fair enough Mate,
If You felt hurted by my address to You, please take my respectfull regret. first.

On topic: I tried above to honestly represent my opinion on the defensive shambles we all have witnessed early this season. I did with my limited use of Your language and my structural inability to address any serious point in shortcuts, in whatsoever language, including my own. - Sorry for that also to my dear friend Ronan.

Now, I take that You are a genuine football fan and genuine lover of the game, thus I do assume that You do agree with me that it is to be intended as a weird thing, the fact that the manager, a very successful one on the basis of titles and cups he won in the two most difficult leagues of the world, with teams he had built from the previous wrecks, who he have taught and coached to be as defensive tight as flamboyant going forward, HAS TURNED IN A CLUELESS LOSER,THE SOLE CULPRIT OF CITY "FAILURES", IN JUST THREE MONTHS.
Also I do assume that You are aware it weren't Your information sources, from the Sunday Supplement, MotD and Companions of massive managerial failures who managed City at the flamboyant thrashing at home of the Spuds, nor it wasn't Fat Sam who lead City on the demolition derby at the Swamp. As well as I am sure that You are aware that Mancini was the manager of the MCFC who broke the records of Clean Sheets and whose Keeper earned the Golden Glove, just few months ago.
On the basis of all and many other awarenesses that a genuine, neutral, not biased football lover, used to made up his opinion on facts, rather than upon reading and listening to failed managers looking to please Whiskey Nose in order to hold strong their seats is cannot have lost memory of what he has just finished to teach to his lads and will certainly be capable to fix the current spell of defensive shambles.

As for the natural width, or lack of it, in our style of play, so different from what You are used to see attending vintage football at the Boleyn, are You certain that it will not return to what You saw last season when we will have our Wizard back on match fitness along with the posibility to rest and rotate our midfielders when the injured partners of Barry and Toure will be back?
As a stimulating exercise in order to spring You skill in making up Your opinion on Your own, I'd humbly suggest to reflect on how funny is that the very same pundits ahve spent the first half of Mancini's tenure at City claiming for his head because he was portrayed as a "negative manager only capable to defend", now are claiming for his head because he is not capable to sort out City defensive frailties???

as per Balotelli, almost opposite to what seems to You, through Your readings, he does consider Mancini as his second father and despite his undeniable peculiar character he is fully aware that is only path to fulfill his potential is to follow "his dad's" advice.

same as per Your opinion about a presumed rioting and lack of team spirit and togetherness due to lack of believe/tune on Mancini's game, on which I reiterate my advice to refer to the genuine and very telling, instructive reports from Carrington, freshly delivered almost every day by our own, unbiased and competent Reporter, for the reigning Champion's manager having numbered days at our beloved Club, all I can do to enlarge Your sight is to draw Your attention on the fact that, thanks God, MCFC is owned by Worldwide Renowned Shrewd Investors used to draw, develop and undertake successful business plans for long haul, not by local dodgers used to make money on the the lower animal instincts of the people.
by the way, when Betfred and tabloids expect numbered days to expire?

Don't make a foul of me, Our well informed but welcome Cockney Friend, I am fully aware of why non City Supporters would love to see MCFC reverting to the harmless days when Joy Barton used to estinguish his cigarettes on boy's skin. Just make up Your mind. it will not happen, despite whatsoever, well orchestrated, media hype.

[Swales4ever]

And all that from a supporter of a team that has Sam Alladyce as manager ....... the very Sam Alladyce that has won fuck all with his long ball shite and wouldnt have the first clue how to manage a team of world class superstars performing at the top of the premier league and also in europe. Big donkey up front , kevin fuckin Nolan in every team he has managed for the last 10 years thats his limit ffs ! Sam Alladyce actually reached his limit as a manager with Bolton Wanderers ! nuff said !
Oh and the porn industry running West Ham FC ........ a dozen rampant rabbits would do a better fuckin job !

What's your point?

Why attack the bloke when he is giving [highlight]a valid, unbiased and considered opinion[/highlight].

The former's days [RM's] are numbered, imvho, unless this problem - which makes City look less than a sum of its very decent parts - between the dugout and the pitch can be rectified.

as per Your, unbiased and considered opinion, it's well recorded . and taken with all due respect commanded by a True Blue - on almost every football related posts of You, since Mark Hughes was replaced.
meanwhile MCFC won the FA, the EPL Title and established as a sure participant to UCL.

[phips]

Oh well, we can't win 'em all - or any in Europe it seems. Our summer transfer window was a disaster and we are reaping the rewards.

And last season ?

Personally I think it has nothing to do with either transfer window. The players we have now and had before this past summer are good enough to progress out of the group stage. Look at Ajax, they beat us once and tied us at the Etihad; they have De Jong and Eriksen and thats basically it. Malaga progressed for fuck's sake and they're basically in debt and sold all their "best" players (yeah they had an easier group, but still). It's not only about players' skill...its about coaching, training, and the player's egos and mindset. Clearly none of these are good enough for us yet.

I highly doubt buying De Rossi or someone else will help us progress. It's not all about just buying the "best", most renown players.

I'd like to think our current players are good enough too but the evidence is that they aren't. That's not to say that tactics, motivation etc don't need improvement. I agree they clearly do, but the departure of de Jong and a disrupted pre-season together with the non-arrival of any of Mancini's major targets means we are struggling in every competition.

You're right, the evidence is there but i just can't see buying another £40m player or two as the solution. Falcao and De Rossi? Maybe they would help...id love them to but from the little i've seen of Falcao, AM's offense is way different than ours and i fear he'd be horribly misused in our current system.
i feel like a changing of the tactics and coaching system is necessary before splurging more oil money on players. you can buy all the players you want but if the coaching, system, tactics, etc. are wrong, then nothing will happen. I've seen it before.
(it's currently happening here in the US with the Los Angeles Lakers. 4 outstanding players but a shit offensive system is hampering them.)

[johnny crossan]

Oh well, we can't win 'em all - or any in Europe it seems. Our summer transfer window was a disaster and we are reaping the rewards.

And last season ?

Personally I think it has nothing to do with either transfer window. The players we have now and had before this past summer are good enough to progress out of the group stage. Look at Ajax, they beat us once and tied us at the Etihad; they have De Jong and Eriksen and thats basically it. Malaga progressed for fuck's sake and they're basically in debt and sold all their "best" players (yeah they had an easier group, but still). It's not only about players' skill...its about coaching, training, and the player's egos and mindset. Clearly none of these are good enough for us yet.

I highly doubt buying De Rossi or someone else will help us progress. It's not all about just buying the "best", most renown players.

I'd like to think our current players are good enough too but the evidence is that they aren't. That's not to say that tactics, motivation etc don't need improvement. I agree they clearly do, but the departure of de Jong and a disrupted pre-season together with the non-arrival of any of Mancini's major targets means we are struggling in every competition.

You're right, the evidence is there but i just can't see buying another £40m player or two as the solution. Falcao and De Rossi? Maybe they would help...id love them to but from the little i've seen of Falcao, AM's offense is way different than ours and i fear he'd be horribly misused in our current system.
i feel like a changing of the tactics and coaching system is necessary before splurging more oil money on players. you can buy all the players you want but if the coaching, system, tactics, etc. are wrong, then nothing will happen. I've seen it before.
(it's currently happening here in the US with the Los Angeles Lakers. 4 outstanding players but a shit offensive system is hampering them.)

we are just out of form, out of luck, out of excuses and out of answers - it will pass ;-)

[Ted Hughes]

I think Walmai made valid points which would be echoed by many neutrals & doesn't deserve to get shit for it.

I disagree that Mancini's fate has been decided & I think his relationship with Balotelli has been misunderstood but I do agree that the present City team should be playing better, & be better organised than it is at present & I do mainly blame Mancini & his staff for that.

I don't expect that to continue though, especially now we've fucked up Europe again & have one less thing to worry about. I expect to see a big improvement by both Mancini & the team in the coming months, possibly boosted by a signing or two in Jan.

I still think we're favourites for the league, but it has been slipping away recently & we will need some big performances to get back on track.

I do believe that Bob has to get back on track if he's to keep his job too. I didn't think that was the case initially, I thought he could get away with just about anything after last season's title win, but now Tricky has joined & we've fucked up the Chumps league, I'll be surprised if his contract doesn't include that as a clause, & I recon the new guys will be evaluating Bob now & for the rest of the season, to see if they think he's the man to take us forward, & I think he knows it.

[Hazy2]

I think Walmai made valid points which would be echoed by many neutrals & doesn't deserve to get shit for it.

I disagree that Mancini's fate has been decided & I think his relationship with Balotelli has been misunderstood but I do agree that the present City team should be playing better, & be better organised than it is at present & I do mainly blame Mancini & his staff for that.

I don't expect that to continue though, especially now we've fucked up Europe again & have one less thing to worry about. I expect to see a big improvement by both Mancini & the team in the coming months, possibly boosted by a signing or two in Jan.

I still think we're favourites for the league, but it has been slipping away recently & we will need some big performances to get back on track.

I do believe that Bob has to get back on track if he's to keep his job too. I didn't think that was the case initially, I thought he could get away with just about anything after last season's title win, but now Tricky has joined & we've fucked up the Chumps league, I'll be surprised if his contract doesn't include that as a clause, & I recon the new guys will be evaluating Bob now & for the rest of the season, to see if they think he's the man to take us forward, & I think he knows it.

Bobby, has done all he can for Balo, he has seen himself in him as a player, The player has to do it every week, I can honestly say home or away I have never seen him play for 90 mins.Is he all that, not sure I know this in East Level 2 around me the jury has done one him, me I liked the maverick, it's time to repay the manager and the club. On Bobby the odds must be if they can bring Pep in they will, He and the twat at Madrid are his only dangers and one is ready for a job. The other will not be for them if they can get Pep, is it right no, but Bobby spoke with Monaco and this ees football NO. Ted, Pep must be on alert, I also think De Rossi could see Bobby flip, if not signed.

[Ted Hughes]

I think Walmai made valid points which would be echoed by many neutrals & doesn't deserve to get shit for it.

I disagree that Mancini's fate has been decided & I think his relationship with Balotelli has been misunderstood but I do agree that the present City team should be playing better, & be better organised than it is at present & I do mainly blame Mancini & his staff for that.

I don't expect that to continue though, especially now we've fucked up Europe again & have one less thing to worry about. I expect to see a big improvement by both Mancini & the team in the coming months, possibly boosted by a signing or two in Jan.

I still think we're favourites for the league, but it has been slipping away recently & we will need some big performances to get back on track.

I do believe that Bob has to get back on track if he's to keep his job too. I didn't think that was the case initially, I thought he could get away with just about anything after last season's title win, but now Tricky has joined & we've fucked up the Chumps league, I'll be surprised if his contract doesn't include that as a clause, & I recon the new guys will be evaluating Bob now & for the rest of the season, to see if they think he's the man to take us forward, & I think he knows it.

Bobby, has done all he can for Balo, he has seen himself in him as a player, The player has to do it every week, I can honestly say home or away I have never seen him play for 90 mins.Is he all that, not sure I know this in East Level 2 around me the jury has done one him, me I liked the maverick, it's time to repay the manager and the club. On Bobby the odds must be if they can bring Pep in they will, He and the twat at Madrid are his only dangers and one is ready for a job. The other will not be for them if they can get Pep, is it right no, but Bobby spoke with Monaco and this ees football NO. Ted, Pep must be on alert, I also think De Rossi could see Bobby flip, if not signed.

I think Balotelli is just lacking a couple of goals. Imo, over 90 mins, he's been better than Aguero or Dzeko this season but he's not got the goals. I don't understand why Bob has been on his case recently, as he seems to me to be doing just about everything Bob would ask of him apart from finishing.

I can see him taking off this season if he can just come through this barren spell without losing it.

[Hazy2]

1/3 gone it will be lift off or another off

[getdressedmctavish]

Well it was a fecking strange game and referee. Atleast I got a laugh when I shouted "this fuckin ref is letting them leave a boot in with impunity"Can't help it if I'm half educated?My main thought was "feck me, is Hughes in the dugout? concede two goals from 6 feet and a huff and puff shambles to follow"That was the Tafia's speciality which I thought we'd eradicated.Something very weird going on.As Ted says, Ajax are about Fulham's level.I mean we never coped all night when de Jong dropped off. It was as if we had no idea how they would play.

[*AR*]

So this was my first game since May 2010, as I'm getting back on the saddle whilst keeping a low profile. I was sat in 142 - nice to see that the atmosphere hasn't changed,with it being shite in that end still. I was surprised to find that the South Stand were awfully quiet for once - not at all as loud as we used to be when I was there.

I'm glad the game was eventful, to stop from sounding like a typical Liverpool fan and blaming it on a ref's/linesman's decisions I find I can't comment much more....

Oh and our Defence still appears to be shocking.

Best thing for us to do now is to finish 4th in the group in order to do that and avoid Europe, thus increasing our chances in the league and focusing all energy and concentration on that.