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Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:50 pm

Man City's Etihad campus helping to close gap on Barca

There is a wind of change at Manchester City and Brian Marwood is keen to ensure it blows the right way for the Premier League champions in a crucial forthcoming period.

The advent of Financial Fair Play, UEFA’s plan to ensure clubs are not spending beyond their means, has created a dramatic shift in the mindset of many of Europe’s leading sides.

A focus on youth is now replacing a previous yearning to spend big money. Shaping players with promise matters just as much as signing those with proven records. For City, that has always been the case, and will continue to be, according to Marwood, who moved from football administrator to managing director of the academy as part of changes on the executive leadership team.

The club’s £200 million (Dh1,178m) Etihad Campus, targeted for opening by the 2014-15 season, is what excites Marwood, along with his claim that there is such talent within the ranks that “we actually get more calls about youth players than we do about Mario Balotelli”.

“The goal, simply put, is to produce Champions League quality players,” he says. “That is not to disrespect the players that have gone before, but it is the clear challenge for all of us at the club to bring players through at that level.

“That is where Manchester City has to be. It starts locally and we have to bring the best talent in from our own city.

“There is such competition in this part of England alone – even with talented young players in the streets nearby, we have other clubs looking at them. From there we look within the country and then internationally. The world is a small place now and there is literally nowhere that we do not go. In time we will see the results of this effort.

“Of course one of the major challenges is that people will look at the amount of money we have spent and there will be cynicism.

“People will say, ‘you will never get in the first team because they will go out and spend £30 million (Dh176m) on a player’. The only way we can change that is by getting young players into the first team and we are all working hard to do that.

“A few years ago it was hard to sell this club to an international player who Barcelona, Real Madrid and Manchester United were interested in.

“Now we can point to the trophies and say we have won the Premier League, the FA Cup and we are playing Champions League football. We have that success and a great story to tell.”

The club’s noted Academy, under the guidance of Jim Cassell, has provided many fairytales, turning dreams into a reality for many.

Before the takeover of Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan in 2008, a number developed into Premier League players, including current City defender Micah Richards and Liverpool striker Daniel Sturridge.

But, with the bar now set higher as they aim to be part of Europe’s elite, Marwood says there is a global vision and uses clubs such as Barcelona and Ajax as the templates to find the right formula.

“We will always compete with other clubs to get the best players and that does mean spending money,” adds the former player, who won the league title with Arsenal in 1989.

“But you have to get the right balance between that and bringing players through.

“Ajax has historically done it very well and they continue to do it. We felt some pain from them this year in the Champions League and they show it can be done at the very highest level.

“You must have an aspiration and if you look at Barcelona they had eight players in the Champions League final that came through their system. It can be done.

“We like to think in four to five years we will have a number of players who have come through the club in the first team. But the challenge is on us to make that happen.”

With great expectation and pressure often on young players in the glare of the Premier League, loan spells have proved the best way to help them gain experience to prepare them for the big time.

Swedish striker John Guidetti has reaped the benefit of this with his spell at Feyenoord last season bringing him 21 goals in 23 games in the Eredivisie. Defender Karim Rekik started against Reading last month, but was on loan at Portsmouth.

“There are players like him who have all the capabilities and we just have to keep developing them,” Marwood says. “People are saying ‘your youth teams are not doing well and one is bottom of the league’.

"But what they don’t understand is that we have a lot of talented players out on loan and a few 16-year-olds playing with the under-18s, so they really cannot be judged on results.

“The truth is that we actually get more calls about youth players than we do about Mario Balotelli.”

To help their progress, Marwood would love to see a similar system to Spain, where Barcelona and Real Madrid are allowed to field reserve teams in the Spanish Second Division.

“When you look at this I think the best system is the Spanish system of having a B team but I am pretty certain that will not happen in England – certainly not in my lifetime,” he adds.

“It allows the club to control what is happening in terms of all coaching and also allows the B team to play in a really competitive league.”



That is a big advantage to clubs like Barca, & we really need to push our reserve team football upto a higher standard in this country in order to reach the same level imo. Once the players reach that age, the team formation & tactics starts to be an important part of the development, to make the transition to the 1st team easier. So many English kids with decent basic talent, have no idea how to play football when they reach the top level (including most who came through our previous academy). I think some people, like Marwood & probably Trevor Brooking etc realise this, but many of the old dinosaurs will take some persuading, as they won't see the benefit of raising football standards when they prefer to lump it long & kick everyone off the park.
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby ross.mcfc » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:47 pm

I think it would be a great idea to regionalise league 1 and 2 and allow the big clubs to have B sides in the league.
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby Burt » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:17 pm

ross.mcfc wrote:I think it would be a great idea to regionalise league 1 and 2 and allow the big clubs to have B sides in the league.


So bollox to the Oldham's, Northampton's, Tranmere's etc of this world then?

And what happens when the "B" teams finish top of their league. Do they get promoted so that they play in the same league as their "A" teams?

Sounds bollox to me Ross!
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby ant london » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:49 pm

As long as Marwood has nothing to do with the (attempted and invariably failed) signing up of said world class starlets.....it may just work

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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby DoomMerchant » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:49 pm

Burt wrote:
ross.mcfc wrote:I think it would be a great idea to regionalise league 1 and 2 and allow the big clubs to have B sides in the league.


So bollox to the Oldham's, Northampton's, Tranmere's etc of this world then?

And what happens when the "B" teams finish top of their league. Do they get promoted so that they play in the same league as their "A" teams?

Sounds bollox to me Ross!


what happens when that occurs in Spain? Wouldn't be any different in my mind.

Alternatively, you could have the B teams play in Scotland, which could have been your response to Ross i suppose.

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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby Tokyo Blue » Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:53 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:Alternatively, you could have the B teams play in Scotland, which could have been your response to Ross i suppose.


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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby Burt » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:05 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
Burt wrote:
ross.mcfc wrote:I think it would be a great idea to regionalise league 1 and 2 and allow the big clubs to have B sides in the league.


So bollox to the Oldham's, Northampton's, Tranmere's etc of this world then?

And what happens when the "B" teams finish top of their league. Do they get promoted so that they play in the same league as their "A" teams?

Sounds bollox to me Ross!


what happens when that occurs in Spain? Wouldn't be any different in my mind.

Alternatively, you could have the B teams play in Scotland, which could have been your response to Ross i suppose.

cheers


I don't know. What does happen in Spain if they finish top?

Be interesting to see if there's lads on here that can inform us please.
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby JamieMCFC » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:29 pm

Burt wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:
Burt wrote:
ross.mcfc wrote:I think it would be a great idea to regionalise league 1 and 2 and allow the big clubs to have B sides in the league.


So bollox to the Oldham's, Northampton's, Tranmere's etc of this world then?

And what happens when the "B" teams finish top of their league. Do they get promoted so that they play in the same league as their "A" teams?

Sounds bollox to me Ross!


what happens when that occurs in Spain? Wouldn't be any different in my mind.

Alternatively, you could have the B teams play in Scotland, which could have been your response to Ross i suppose.

cheers


I don't know. What does happen in Spain if they finish top?

Be interesting to see if there's lads on here that can inform us please.


The power of Google is amazing when people actually use it. The B squad can not play in the same league as the main squad so they can't be promoted.
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby john68 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:40 pm

Ant,
Just what has Marwood done that is so wrong?
Be specific, which particular starlets has he tried and failed to sign...names and evidence please.

If we criticise the tabloid rag press for this unsubstantiated shite then surely we should not offer unsubstantiated shite of our own for consideration.
Give us the evidence....none has ever been forthcoming in the past...Do you work for the Sun, Mirror, Mail, Daily Sport. Your post was on that tabloid rag level

Sorry mate...but you can't have it both ways.

Can you also be specific and define his actual role in the Academy. Not just his title but the job description...what he actually does? Ta mate.
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:41 pm

So if the A team get relegated, I take it that means the B team get relegated too?

What happens if the B team win the second division and the A team get relegated from the first division? Does the B team then get promoted?
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby ant london » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:48 pm

john68 wrote:Ant,
Just what has Marwood done that is so wrong?
Be specific, which particular starlets has he tried and failed to sign...names and evidence please.

If we criticise the tabloid rag press for this unsubstantiated shite then surely we should not offer unsubstantiated shite of our own for consideration.
Give us the evidence....none has ever been forthcoming in the past...Do you work for the Sun, Mirror, Mail, Daily Sport. Your post was on that tabloid rag level

Sorry mate...but you can't have it both ways.

Can you also be specific and define his actual role in the Academy. Not just his title but the job description...what he actually does? Ta mate.



haha I was just continuing my theme from the summer transfer window.

he is shit at closing deals....full stop.

I hope he does a cracking job in the academy role as when it came to signing players for Manchester City first team squad in the transfer window....he was an abject failure

Other than that I have no issues with him and I was being somewhat tongue in cheek
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:03 pm

ant london wrote:
john68 wrote:Ant,
Just what has Marwood done that is so wrong?
Be specific, which particular starlets has he tried and failed to sign...names and evidence please.

If we criticise the tabloid rag press for this unsubstantiated shite then surely we should not offer unsubstantiated shite of our own for consideration.
Give us the evidence....none has ever been forthcoming in the past...Do you work for the Sun, Mirror, Mail, Daily Sport. Your post was on that tabloid rag level

Sorry mate...but you can't have it both ways.

Can you also be specific and define his actual role in the Academy. Not just his title but the job description...what he actually does? Ta mate.



haha I was just continuing my theme from the summer transfer window.

he is shit at closing deals....full stop.

I hope he does a cracking job in the academy role as when it came to signing players for Manchester City first team squad in the transfer window....he was an abject failure

Other than that I have no issues with him and I was being somewhat tongue in cheek



But the owners pulled the plug on all the big deals didn't they? Nowt to do with Marwood.
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Postby Blue Stu » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:12 pm

I'd like to see them either expand the Nextgen into a season-long European youngster's league or impliment a new Euro league to shadow the senior Tier 1 leagues, with the Nextgen fitted in at similar dates to Chump's League matches. Get the quality of teams increased so we don't have to send the kids out on loan and give them something to play for and to commit to for the whole season.
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby john68 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:18 pm

The case against Marwood.

Accusations
He is shit at closing deals...full stop.
When it came to signing players for Manchester City 1st team squad in the transfer window, he was an abject failure.

Evidence offered that it was Marwood's fault...NONE.

Case dismissed.....NEXT!!!

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Postby DoomMerchant » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:27 pm

Tokyo Blue wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote:Alternatively, you could have the B teams play in Scotland, which could have been your response to Ross i suppose.


The standard is not good enough.


Woooooooooosh.

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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby DoomMerchant » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:28 pm

john68 wrote:The case against Marwood.

Accusations
He is shit at closing deals...full stop.
When it came to signing players for Manchester City 1st team squad in the transfer window, he was an abject failure.

Evidence offered that it was Marwood's fault...NONE.

Case dismissed.....NEXT!!!

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evidence? please...it's what happened. if we lose the league this year it's partially down to that clown's inability to get deals done for first choice buys like Hazard, Van Pussy, and others. I promise you dude. Promise. You.
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby john68 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:59 pm

Fucl me, the double act has returned...WELCOME HOME STAN AND OLLIE....and getting yourselves into another fine mess.

Michael, (parents always seem to use the full name when they are pissed off with their children) please stop being a fucktard. As much as love you pal,I would just love to deliver a well shod foot to your crotch until each eyeball had been replaced with a testicle. It may make you see a little bit of sense on this.

Which bit of City's buying policy did you miss on this? Which official statement by City via Kaldhoon are you ignoring on this?

1...It was clearly and publicly stated by the club, around the time of the Hughes sacking, that our buying policy had been brought forward in order to help us comply with the proposed FFP. Money spent then would not be spent later.
2...It was clearly and publicly stated by the club that there would only be big money signings when our owner thought necessary.
3...Despite what you or Mancio may think of the FFP being viable, the club have showed through many statements that they are pursuing a policy of attempting to comply with the new financial rules.
4...City's profit/loss sheet showed a loss of almost £200M and the club clearly and publicly stated, on several occasions, that they were working towards drastically cutting those losses.
5...In all the deals you quoted, City clearly had a budget they were working toand what they were not prepared to go above.
6...We lost both Van Penis and Hazard. the former to the rags, we are told, because of their greater recent history and the latter we are told to the current European Champions.

Now then...which bit of any of that did Marwood play a part? At the time of the club's policy change, Cooke was the man in the chair. Do you really believe that Marwood is the guy who now sets our fiscal policy ahead of our owner and board?

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Postby Chinners » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:05 pm

The purpose of Marwood is a weird one really. Like John says there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence that he was responsible for poor transfer dealings last summer but on the other hand there does not appear to be any evidence of him pulling up any trees since he's been at the club so what the fucl does he do/has he done since being here (apart from earning a bundle of course)
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby blue wine » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:11 pm

bobby blamed marwood! so if bobby thinks he is not good enough..

i think its abit stupid to say “we actually get more calls about youth players than we do about Mario Balotelli”
why but a negative spotlight on balotelli?! i don't think our managing director of the academy should making jokes in the press about our players!
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Re: Good ol' Leatherface, talks about the academy.

Postby john68 » Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:17 pm

blue wine wrote:bobby blamed marwood! so if bobby thinks he is not good enough..

i think its abit stupid to say “we actually get more calls about youth players than we do about Mario Balotelli”
why but a negative spotlight on balotelli?! i don't think our managing director of the academy should making jokes in the press about our players!


I never thought he was and am surprised at your translation of his statement.
I thought it showed how important our youth policy was.
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