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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby AG7 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:00 am

Mancini is quoted somewhere today saying he'll be happy come the derby day in April if he is 5 pts behind.

I am sure it's mind games by him ... I would rather we are 3 pts ahead so all the pressure is on them to get the 3 there. I am not sure I am so confident of even us getting all 3 this time when we visit them ... so I'd rather our title not be hanging on that then.

They play next Spurs away and then have a home game against Everton a few weeks later ... two games where potentially I see them dropping points between now and April derby at scumland.
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Original Dub » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:32 am

AG7 wrote:
We are just about where we were last season ... difference has been they have improved and are 7 ahead of us where as last year they were behind. That's what concerns me most ... the fact that they blew it last season, won't happen again ... Fergie would be reminding them that every training session.

They not only improved (RvP, Kagawa) but losing on goal difference last year is pushing them on ... we on the other hand aren't any better than last year so kind of feel stagnating a little ...


Mate I like a lot of what you are doing with this thread but it seems tk frequently take thw route of what you think will happen and also what you think the rags are thinking which is a bit farcical.

You say Baconchops will be reminding them not to let there lead slip. So there's a good chance the reason they blew it was because he forgot to remind them last season?

By all means please keep updating the tabld but let's keep the predictions and mind bollox to the press, yeah?
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Alex Sapphire » Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:55 pm

Scums points tally after 22 games is the most they've EVER got in the Prem.
This is either because it is the best scum side or they are riding their luck
It's not their best side
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Swales4ever » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:31 pm

Alex Sapphire wrote:Scums points tally after 22 games is the most they've EVER got in the Prem.
This is either because it is the best scum side or they are riding their luck
It's not their best side

or another combination, also including a particular level of "respectful kindness" towards Taggart from pretty much all other managers,even more then the usual standard?

All I know is that I really wish the "Anti-Football" Stoke City FC shall end up the League above the Pathetic Bunch of Freaks from Holloway, obviously taking them off the UEFA purse. That will fill my mouth with a sweet taste of natural justice.

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
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4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby AG7 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:10 pm

How Man City can still beat United to the Title
by TalkSport Magazine

Man United briefly went 10 points clear of second-placed Man City when they beat Liverpool at Old Trafford, until the defending champions kept themselves in the race with a crucial win away to Arsenal, but the Red Devils look firm favourites to finish first.

The gap between the top two currently sits at seven points with 16 games remaining and United defender Patrice Evra says the Red Devils can forget about City. "[Last season] there was too much focus on what they were going to do in their next game," the Frenchman said. "This year it's about us. By having a good season, we will become the champions."

Last season, United blew an eight-point lead in the final six games, so anything is still possible, but this time round United are confident the fire power of Robin Van Persie will help them avoid a similar calamity.

Both teams racked up 89 points in 2011/12, a total that looks likely to be beaten as United boast seven points more at this stage than they had after 22 matches last year. All of which leaves City little room for error with their own fixtures, but is there a chance United could drop enough points to let them back in again? talkSPORT highlights the key fixtures that could seal or scupper United's hunt for title number 20…

Key Fixtures

Tottenham v Man United - 20 January 2013
City could chip away at United's lead this weekend, as the Red Devils head to White Hart Lane, while City host Fulham at the Etihad. Tottenham inflicted one of United's three league defeats earlier this season with a stunning win at Old Trafford and with Andre-Villas Boas' side having Champions League aspirations, by Sunday evening the gap at the top could conceivably be down to four or five points. United will be wary of counting their chickens should they get a good result at White Hart Lane, however. Last March they won 3-1 at Tottenham and Fergie couldn't hide his feeling that it would be crucial in the title race, claiming "It was a massive result," only to discover later that it wasn't enough.

Man United v Everton – 10 February 2013
Just three days before travelling to Madrid for the first leg of their Champions League last 16 clash with Real, Ferguson' side play host to Everton, United's conquerors on the opening weekend back in August. Last season, this fixture proved pivotal in the title race as Everton grabbed a 4-4 draw and severely dented United's title hopes. City take on relegation battlers Southampton the same weekend, without any European fixtures looming.

West Ham v Man United – 9 March 2013
Man United follow their Champions League second leg tie against Real Madrid with a trip to West Ham. Upton Park has been a tricky venue historically for United, with title bids in 1992 and 1995 both coming up short thanks to results at Upton Park. In 1998 West Ham again helped to prevent Fergie from winning the title, holding United to a crucial draw as Arsenal reeled them in, but in April 2011 the Red Devils fought back from 2-0 to gain three vital points en route to their last championship. As the Hammers proved in the recent FA Cup third round clash between the pair, Upton Park is still a difficult place to visit. Ferguson's team have picked up maximum points following their Champions League travails so far this season, but with Man City welcoming Wigan to the Etihad on the same weekend, it will be a big away day.

Man United v Man City – 6 April 2013
The scene of the infamous 6-1 mauling last season, the Manchester derby will likely be a key match in the title race once again. City will still be smarting following that dramatic 3-2 defeat to their neighbours in December and by the time the two sides meet in April it will either be the final nail in the blue half's championship coffin, or a chance to gain significant momentum. Perhaps the most intriguing aspect of this fixture is that it could be sandwiched by two Champions League quarter-final clashes for Fergie's men.

Stoke v Man United – 13 April 2013
Should Man United advance to the quarter-finals of the Champions League, they will have to endure a tricky trip to Stoke following the second leg tie. At home this season, Stoke have ground out draws against Arsenal and Man City, while comfortably beating Liverpool, so the potential to drop points at the Britannia is there to see. Their only home defeat thus far has come against Chelsea and, despite the 4-0 scoreline, the Potters were their own worst enemies, scoring two own goals and missing a penalty. United's trip to Stoke is contrasted with Man City's home fixture against West Brom.

Arsenal v Man United – 27 April 2013
Theoretically the make-or-break fixture in the title run-in, Arsenal v Man United has become a subdued affair in recent years, compared to its former ferocity. When the two sides clash on 27 April, it could come between two potential Champions League semi-final legs for both sides, who currently remain in the competition (although more realistically for United), while the Gunners will hope to still be in the race for the top four. Wouldn't it be sweet for Arsenal to deny RVP?

Man United v Chelsea – 4 May 2013
Chelsea is never an easy game for United and the Blues - despite having little chance of being in the title race by May - can be expected to put up a real fight at Old Trafford. Should United reach the Champions League last four, this match would follow their European exploits. Between 20 April and 1 May, United potentially face two Champions League matches, plus Arsenal and Chelsea in the league. During this period Man City host West Ham and then travel to Swansea. Squeaky bum time?

West Brom v Man United – 19 May 2013
Should this season's Premier League campaign repeat the 2011/12 race and go down to the wire, Man City will fancy their chances of retaining the crown. City host Norwich in their final fixture, while United travel to West Brom, who have currently only lost three times at home this season, boasting victories over Liverpool, Everton and Chelsea at the Hawthorns.

Verdict
So far this season, Man United have been near relentless in their pursuit of a record 20th title (seven Football League, 13 Premier League), but they have been beaten three times, showing their potential vulnerability. City will have to be close to flawless in their pursuit of United and even a record of 13 wins, two draws and one defeat from their final 16 matches would 'only' see them reach the 89 points they achieved last season. Sir Alex Ferguson's side, on the other hand, could afford to lose three of their remaining 16 league fixtures, winning 11 and drawing two and still reach 90 points. City can certainly close the gap on their rivals, but they will probably need United to lose their tricky away matches against the likes of Spurs, Stoke and Arsenal, while dropping points at home against themselves. In fact, City fans might find that a United run deep into the Champions League knockout stage is a good thing for their title hopes, but if they really can't bring themselves to hope for Red Devil success on the continent, they could always cross their fingers when Pepe faces Robin van Persie.
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby City64 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:08 pm

This thread albeit interesting is however just assumption and opinion.
History tells us all time and time and time again that ANYTHING can happen in football.
Lastly , the rags ARENT playing well enough to maintain there win rate, we just have to carry on winning our games and then beat the cunts at the swamp ...... SIMPLES !
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Beefymcfc » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:48 pm

AG7 wrote:Mancini is quoted somewhere today saying he'll be happy come the derby day in April if he is 5 pts behind.

I am sure it's mind games by him ... I would rather we are 3 pts ahead so all the pressure is on them to get the 3 there. I am not sure I am so confident of even us getting all 3 this time when we visit them ... so I'd rather our title not be hanging on that then.

They play next Spurs away and then have a home game against Everton a few weeks later ... two games where potentially I see them dropping points between now and April derby at scumland.

The reason he will be happy with a 5 point deficit going into the Derby is most probably due to the run-in fixtures. I looked at them the other day and for me, we have what could be considered the easier fixtures.

Last 6 - City:

Man City V West Brom
Tottenham V Man City
Man City V West Ham
Swansea V Man City
Reading V Man City
Man City V Norwich

Last 6 - Rags:

Stoke V Man Utd
Man Utd V Aston Villa
Arsenal V Man Utd
Man Utd V Chelsea
Man Utd V Swansea
West Brom v Man Utd

I'm sure we'd be all happy with a 3 point lead going into the Derby, or 10 for that matter, but I suggest Mancini is being realistic with where he wants us to be. He has given us the aim of being level by the end of Feb so at least we know where we want to be.
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby AG7 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:09 pm

Tables updated after Gameweek 23:

Title Race at 23 - By Same Fixtures.JPG

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Getting closer now ... in gameweek comparison, we are now only 3 pts behind where we were last season (51 v 54), and they are only 2 pt better (56 v 54)

And over in same fixtures comparison ... nothing changes for us, as we beat Fulham at home last time around as well, but for them it worsens slightly as last year they had beaten Spurs away. However overall they still stay 2pt ahead in same fixtures comparison last season, and we remain 1 pt better off than last year.

All these nos. will change and reflect positively for us over the next nine fixtures (all the way to the derby) as they only drew one and went on an 8 match winning run (last year, around this time) while we wobbled during this period and lost 2 and drew 2 ... so the nos. might get us excited over the next nine fixtures ... but it's the last six that'll decide because that's when we won those on the trot while they dropped 8 points.
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:15 pm

AG7 wrote:Tables updated after Gameweek 23:

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Getting closer now ... in gameweek comparison, we are now only 3 pts behind where we were last season (51 v 54), and they are only 2 pt better (56 v 54)

And over in same fixtures comparison ... nothing changes for us, as we beat Fulham at home last time around as well, but for them it worsens slightly as last year they had beaten Spurs away. However overall they still stay 2pt ahead in same fixtures comparison last season, and we remain 1 pt better off than last year.

All these nos. will change and reflect positively for us over the next nine fixtures (all the way to the derby) as they only drew one and went on an 8 match winning run (last year, around this time) while we wobbled during this period and lost 2 and drew 2 ... so the nos. might get us excited over the next nine fixtures ... but it's the last six that'll decide because that's when we won those on the trot while they dropped 8 points.
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It's fucked up that we are actually one point better than last year, if looking at corresponding fixtures. Doesn't feel like it, neither in general, in the media or on here.
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby AG7 » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:34 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:It's fucked up that we are actually one point better than last year, if looking at corresponding fixtures. Doesn't feel like it, neither in general, in the media or on here.


Yes, exactly ... so we are on our way to 90 points if that's a comparison to go by ... and if we reach 90, the title is surely ours ... oops, wait ... with that same comparison they'll finish on 91 :(
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby AG7 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:11 pm

Updated tables after gameweek 24 below ...

Can't say much, except every single figure for us in both comparisons has turned to -ive and for them to +ive (bar one) ... not looking good ... need to stitch long winning run, preferably all 14 ... but if you look at our run so far, we have not managed to win 5 together. Best we have done is two runs of 4 wins ... where as last season we went on a 7 win run early on and a 6 win run to finish things off. It's the draws that are killing us, last season we had drawn only 3 up till now, and here we are with 7 draws already (2 more than whole of last season).

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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Dameerto » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:38 pm

The reason we appeared to be catching up on last season is because we had a slump - we've coped much better with Yaya's loss this time around. Don't forget there will be the run of games at the end of last season still to come in the comparison which kind of evened out the slump.
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby AG7 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:11 pm

Right here we are ... and of course numbers look even uglier than the last week:

Reason is simple ... we have now dropped points in 10 games this season, which is exactly the no. of games we dropped points in last season ... difference is last year it was in the whole season (38 games) while this year its (only 25 games) with more than 1/3rd of the season still remaining.

Here are the updated tables ... (for those still interested):

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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby AG7 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:59 am

Apologies for the delay in updating the tables ... you can understand my lack of keenness in updating these right on the weekend. Anyway, here they are ... and yes, its pretty much game over!


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And I guess you'll understand if I don't update this thread and tables here on till the end (bar a miracle) ... so see you next season with two parallel tables, one comparing the ongoing season with the Title Winning season and one with the Title Given Away season.
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Scatman » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:06 am

AG7 wrote:Apologies for the delay in updating the tables ... you can understand my lack of keenness in updating these right on the weekend. Anyway, here they are ... and yes, its pretty much game over!


Title Race at 26 - By Gameweek.JPG

Title Race at 26 - By Same Fixtures.JPG


And I guess you'll understand if I don't update this thread and tables here on till the end (bar a miracle) ... so see you next season with two parallel tables, one comparing the ongoing season with the Title Winning season and one with the Title Given Away season.


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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby AG7 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:39 am

Scatman wrote:
Fair weather supporter?


I meant only for this thread ...
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Chinners » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:45 am

Giving up is for quitters AG7
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Alex Sapphire » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:50 am

AG7 wrote:
Scatman wrote:
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I meant only for this thread ...


feels like you've missed the point of your own thread
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby AG7 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 11:53 am

Chinners wrote:Giving up is for quitters AG7


No body's given up Chinners (read my thoughts in other thread, will continue to hold on to it till mathematically impossible) ... but lack of comments or interest in these two tables over last few updates perhaps suggest people don't want to look at these numbers anymore ... thus the suggestion, looks weird if I am updating the tables every week and just talking to myself.

I at my end will of course be updating both tables every gameweek to have two complete sets for next season ... but if you guys still like, sure I'll keep posting em here every week.
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Re: Title Race | This vs Last Season

Postby Scatman » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:01 pm

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Chinners wrote:Giving up is for quitters AG7


No body's given up Chinners (read my thoughts in other thread, will continue to hold on to it till mathematically impossible) ... but lack of comments or interest in these two tables over last few updates perhaps suggest people don't want to look at these numbers anymore ... thus the suggestion, looks weird if I am updating the tables every week and just talking to myself.

I at my end will of course be updating both tables every gameweek to have two complete sets for next season ... but if you guys still like, sure I'll keep posting em here every week.


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