Kompany, conclusive pictures

[Sideshow Bob]

Yes it is true ... and there is a whole new thread on it ... how did you not see that before digging this old thread up?

quite simple, my iphone wasn't showing the new thread when i got the sms about Komps. i'm afraid we do not live in a perfect world Do you want me to blame Apple or the guys that created the great mancity App ?

i blame doom merchant!!! and marwood!

[john68]

Yes it is true ... and there is a whole new thread on it ... how did you not see that before digging this old thread up?

quite simple, my iphone wasn't showing the new thread when i got the sms about Komps. i'm afraid we do not live in a perfect world Do you want me to blame Apple or the guys that created the great mancity App ?

I'm on a roll with Mancio at the moment....blame him.....:-)

Are you sure that you aren't on a bap? it's sometimes hard to distinguish i've heard.

cheers

BARM CAKE yer Septic twallop.

[Slim]

Whoever was watching the Andy Townsend/Alan Curbishley/Dermot Gallagher panel after the game yesterday will surely agree that they gave a really good analysis of the incident.

I still understand why Dean gave it. As Gallagher said, he saw Vinnie's two feet off the ground, then García crossed his eyeline, and then Wilshere was in a heap - and all this unfolded in less than a second.

For me it's just one of those unfortunate incidents that will be difficult to reverse because - crucially - one interpretation of the letter of the law makes it a valid red. Even if Dean sees the replay footage and now thinks it wasn't a red for various reasons (Vinny in control, not a running lunge, foot below the ball at moment of impact, Wilshere losing his feet before impact - as is shown in that excellent still at the head of this thread), his original decision is still technically valid and, in any case, he's not consulted by the panel.

It's also unfortunate because I thought Mike Dean was otherwise outstanding again yesterday and should really be recognised as the league's best ref.

Luckily we won't lose VK for any of the big games (although I suppose we could really use him at Stoke in the cup). The biggest problem is that our two remaining decent centre-backs are both left-footed, and one is maybe still a bit too green to be playing without his skipper alongside him.

I agree. Mike Dean has been the best ref & will not let Vinny off, because wankers like Graeme Poll have set the precedent for this kind of challenge. They chose to interpret such things in black & white, so all refs who follow have to do the same.

Mike Dean saw a lunge and gave it how he saw it. I would put money on the fact he also looked at the replay and admitted his mistake, if Graham Poll had given the red, I think it would have stood after the appeal. Dean may be a prick, but he is a consistent prick to everyone and an absolute letter of the law ref.

[Beefymcfc]

Yes it is true ... and there is a whole new thread on it ... how did you not see that before digging this old thread up?

quite simple, my iphone wasn't showing the new thread when i got the sms about Komps. i'm afraid we do not live in a perfect world Do you want me to blame Apple or the guys that created the great mancity App ?

I'm on a roll with Mancio at the moment....blame him.....:-)

Are you sure that you aren't on a bap? it's sometimes hard to distinguish i've heard.

cheers

BARM CAKE yer Septic twallop.

Fucking MUFFIN you old twat ;-)

Mike Dean saw a lunge and gave it how he saw it. I would put money on the fact he also looked at the replay and admitted his mistake, if Graham Poll had given the red, I think it would have stood after the appeal. Dean may be a prick, but he is a consistent prick to everyone and an absolute letter of the law ref.

I honestly feel that Dean is the best of the bunch. He makes his own decisions and even if we believe them to be wrong you can say that you understood how he came to it. Also, he seems to have integrity and doesn't allow himself to get leaned on by the usual culprits.

[Goataldo]

Yes it is true ... and there is a whole new thread on it ... how did you not see that before digging this old thread up?[/quote]

quite simple, my iphone wasn't showing the new thread when i got the sms about Komps. i'm afraid we do not live in a perfect world Do you want me to blame Apple or the guys that created the great mancity App ?[/quote]

I'm on a roll with Mancio at the moment....blame him.....:-)[/quote]

Are you sure that you aren't on a bap? it's sometimes hard to distinguish i've heard.

cheers[/quote]

BARM CAKE yer Septic twallop.[/quote]
Fucking MUFFIN you old twat ;-)

quote]

No need to get a cob on.

It's funny that we like Dean, there's an Arsenal fan who's had a website compiling stats about how he does them over. They loathe him with a passion. Google Mike Dean Arsenal fix and see what comes up. Not just recent stuff.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Whoever was watching the Andy Townsend/Alan Curbishley/Dermot Gallagher panel after the game yesterday will surely agree that they gave a really good analysis of the incident.

I still understand why Dean gave it. As Gallagher said, he saw Vinnie's two feet off the ground, then García crossed his eyeline, and then Wilshere was in a heap - and all this unfolded in less than a second.

For me it's just one of those unfortunate incidents that will be difficult to reverse because - crucially - one interpretation of the letter of the law makes it a valid red. Even if Dean sees the replay footage and now thinks it wasn't a red for various reasons (Vinny in control, not a running lunge, foot below the ball at moment of impact, Wilshere losing his feet before impact - as is shown in that excellent still at the head of this thread), his original decision is still technically valid and, in any case, he's not consulted by the panel.

It's also unfortunate because I thought Mike Dean was otherwise outstanding again yesterday and should really be recognised as the league's best ref.

Luckily we won't lose VK for any of the big games (although I suppose we could really use him at Stoke in the cup). The biggest problem is that our two remaining decent centre-backs are both left-footed, and one is maybe still a bit too green to be playing without his skipper alongside him.

I agree. Mike Dean has been the best ref & will not let Vinny off, because wankers like Graeme Poll have set the precedent for this kind of challenge. They chose to interpret such things in black & white, so all refs who follow have to do the same.

Mike Dean saw a lunge and gave it how he saw it. I would put money on the fact he also looked at the replay and admitted his mistake, if Graham Poll had given the red, I think it would have stood after the appeal. Dean may be a prick, but he is a consistent prick to everyone and an absolute letter of the law ref.

Dean is an outstanding ref. He got one wrong, he isn't a prick.

[Slim]

Whoever was watching the Andy Townsend/Alan Curbishley/Dermot Gallagher panel after the game yesterday will surely agree that they gave a really good analysis of the incident.

I still understand why Dean gave it. As Gallagher said, he saw Vinnie's two feet off the ground, then García crossed his eyeline, and then Wilshere was in a heap - and all this unfolded in less than a second.

For me it's just one of those unfortunate incidents that will be difficult to reverse because - crucially - one interpretation of the letter of the law makes it a valid red. Even if Dean sees the replay footage and now thinks it wasn't a red for various reasons (Vinny in control, not a running lunge, foot below the ball at moment of impact, Wilshere losing his feet before impact - as is shown in that excellent still at the head of this thread), his original decision is still technically valid and, in any case, he's not consulted by the panel.

It's also unfortunate because I thought Mike Dean was otherwise outstanding again yesterday and should really be recognised as the league's best ref.

Luckily we won't lose VK for any of the big games (although I suppose we could really use him at Stoke in the cup). The biggest problem is that our two remaining decent centre-backs are both left-footed, and one is maybe still a bit too green to be playing without his skipper alongside him.

I agree. Mike Dean has been the best ref & will not let Vinny off, because wankers like Graeme Poll have set the precedent for this kind of challenge. They chose to interpret such things in black & white, so all refs who follow have to do the same.

Mike Dean saw a lunge and gave it how he saw it. I would put money on the fact he also looked at the replay and admitted his mistake, if Graham Poll had given the red, I think it would have stood after the appeal. Dean may be a prick, but he is a consistent prick to everyone and an absolute letter of the law ref.

Dean is an outstanding ref. He got one wrong, he isn't a prick.

He's a ref, yes he is.

[Beefymcfc]

Just listening to TS and Brazil and Irani on the morning show. On Monday they started with the line that they could understand why it was a sending off which was quickly superceded with 'It was a legbreaker' by Irani (the plastic Rag cunt) once there seemed to be some sympathy for Vinnie.

This morning they are begrudgingly congratulating us and Vinnie for a successful appeal but in their bitterness gone with the line 'What about the future of football and the referee'. As Goataldo mentions, the Gonners will be loving this and they've got one coming on soon. Let's see what he's got to say.

One thing that Brazil stated was that Mancini said he would have to go into the market and buy a new CB if it was upheld. Can anybody confirm this as they then used it as a excuse to put pressure on the FA and a sly dig that even Lescott couldn't get a place?

[Slim]

Just listening to TS and Brazil and Irani on the morning show. On Monday they started with the line that they could understand why it was a sending off which was quickly superceded with 'It was a legbreaker' by Irani (the plastic Rag cunt) once there seemed to be some sympathy for Vinnie.

This morning they are begrudgingly congratulating us and Vinnie for a successful appeal but in their bitterness gone with the line 'What about the future of football and the referee'. As Goataldo mentions, the Gonners will be loving this and they've got one coming on soon. Let's see what he's got to say.

One thing that Brazil stated was that Mancini said he would have to go into the market and buy a new CB if it was upheld. Can anybody confirm this as they then used it as a excuse to put pressure on the FA and a sly dig that even Lescott couldn't get a place?

Did you just quote the wikipedia of sports journalism?

Come on mate, you know better than that.

[Blue Since 76]

Ladyboy had written a brilliant article in the Fail in which he 'believes' referees are angry at the decision. Believes? Isn't that for an editorial, not a news story. They are absolutely gutted he got off - they're still using the one picture that shows Kompany and Wilshire colliding as if that's proof it was a red

[Douglas Higginbottom]

If there is a bandwagon to jump on, the papers,media,reporters or whoever will usually jump on it.On this one there are masses of knowledgeable footballers who stated that it wasn't a red card offence but a few who thought it was.On balance I think it was in favour of Vinnie getting off.

Having said that,many of those thinking he should get off balanced that opinion with "but the FA should support the ref". Contradictory of course but understandable.The ones that get me are those who still maintain it was a leg breaker,nasty dangerous tackle.Big Fat Sam was very clear that Vinnie was in total control of the tackle and it wasn't two footed anyway but when his words are put forward he is belittled as an old timer who played the game 30 + years ago.

But what BFS says is what it is really all about.Vinnie was in total control (which is more than could be said of Jack W) and he did only challenge with one foot.Those two basic facts are what the panel would have agreed and thus rescinded the red card.To suggest that this decision will now give licence for the thugs to start lunging into nasty tackles is just a joke but 100% typical of rubbish newspapers and the likes of TShite

[Ted Hughes]

If there is a bandwagon to jump on, the papers,media,reporters or whoever will usually jump on it.On this one there are masses of knowledgeable footballers who stated that it wasn't a red card offence but a few who thought it was.On balance I think it was in favour of Vinnie getting off.

Having said that,many of those thinking he should get off balanced that opinion with "but the FA should support the ref". Contradictory of course but understandable.The ones that get me are those who still maintain it was a leg breaker,nasty dangerous tackle.Big Fat Sam was very clear that Vinnie was in total control of the tackle and it wasn't two footed anyway but when his words are put forward he is belittled as an old timer who played the game 30 + years ago.

But what BFS says is what it is really all about.Vinnie was in total control (which is more than could be said of Jack W) and he did only challenge with one foot.Those two basic facts are what the panel would have agreed and thus rescinded the red card.To suggest that this decision will now give licence for the thugs to start lunging into nasty tackles is just a joke but 100% typical of rubbish newspapers and the likes of TShite

The thing is; Vinny didn't actually tackle anybody. Wilshire lost control of the ball & Vinny got to it first & then was caught late by Wilshire. He didn't actually pile into Wilshire & take the ball from him; he intercepted it.

[Hazy2]

If there is a bandwagon to jump on, the papers,media,reporters or whoever will usually jump on it.On this one there are masses of knowledgeable footballers who stated that it wasn't a red card offence but a few who thought it was.On balance I think it was in favour of Vinnie getting off.

Having said that,many of those thinking he should get off balanced that opinion with "but the FA should support the ref". Contradictory of course but understandable.The ones that get me are those who still maintain it was a leg breaker,nasty dangerous tackle.Big Fat Sam was very clear that Vinnie was in total control of the tackle and it wasn't two footed anyway but when his words are put forward he is belittled as an old timer who played the game 30 + years ago.

But what BFS says is what it is really all about.Vinnie was in total control (which is more than could be said of Jack W) and he did only challenge with one foot.Those two basic facts are what the panel would have agreed and thus rescinded the red card.To suggest that this decision will now give licence for the thugs to start lunging into nasty tackles is just a joke but 100% typical of rubbish newspapers and the likes of TShite

The thing is; Vinny didn't actually tackle anybody. Wilshire lost control of the ball & Vinny got to it first & then was caught late by Wilshire. He didn't actually pile into Wilshire & take the ball from him; he intercepted it.

Wilshire, benefits as Shearer, did as Rooney does, he plays for England so acts like a twat, his reckless tackle has been lost in ths as has Podolskis elbow forearm on Zabba has.Samm Allerdyce has said the same it was Wilshire who was out of control, fair play to him.

[Chinners]

11.48 Former Manchester City midfielder Alf-Inge Haaland agrees with the FA's decision to rescind Vincent Kompany's red card at Arsenal, and admits he is worried that strong tackling is being forced out of the game.
"Football is a man's game and you should be allowed to have a nibble at each other," Haaland, who was the victim of a dangerous tackle by Roy Keane in 2001, told BBC Radio Manchester's Blue Tuesday programme. "I think it's going in the wrong direction. If you can't do tackles like that [Kompany's] it's going to ruin far too many games."

[avoidconfusion]

11.48 Former Manchester City midfielder Alf-Inge Haaland agrees with the FA's decision to rescind Vincent Kompany's red card at Arsenal, and admits he is worried that strong tackling is being forced out of the game.
"Football is a man's game and you should be allowed to have a nibble at each other," Haaland, who was the victim of a dangerous tackle by Roy Keane in 2001, told BBC Radio Manchester's Blue Tuesday programme. "I think it's going in the wrong direction. If you can't do tackles like that [Kompany's] it's going to ruin far too many games."

"Victim of a dangerous tackle by Roy Keane" .... sorry I didn't know that that assault was a tackle.

[Ted Hughes]

If there is a bandwagon to jump on, the papers,media,reporters or whoever will usually jump on it.On this one there are masses of knowledgeable footballers who stated that it wasn't a red card offence but a few who thought it was.On balance I think it was in favour of Vinnie getting off.

Having said that,many of those thinking he should get off balanced that opinion with "but the FA should support the ref". Contradictory of course but understandable.The ones that get me are those who still maintain it was a leg breaker,nasty dangerous tackle.Big Fat Sam was very clear that Vinnie was in total control of the tackle and it wasn't two footed anyway but when his words are put forward he is belittled as an old timer who played the game 30 + years ago.

But what BFS says is what it is really all about.Vinnie was in total control (which is more than could be said of Jack W) and he did only challenge with one foot.Those two basic facts are what the panel would have agreed and thus rescinded the red card.To suggest that this decision will now give licence for the thugs to start lunging into nasty tackles is just a joke but 100% typical of rubbish newspapers and the likes of TShite

The thing is; Vinny didn't actually tackle anybody. Wilshire lost control of the ball & Vinny got to it first & then was caught late by Wilshire. He didn't actually pile into Wilshire & take the ball from him; he intercepted it.

Wilshire, benefits as Shearer, did as Rooney does, he plays for England so acts like a twat, his reckless tackle has been lost in ths as has Podolskis elbow forearm on Zabba has.Samm Allerdyce has said the same it was Wilshire who was out of control, fair play to him.

True, they usually get special treatment but I have no complaints in this instance. I'm absolutely gobsmacked that justice has been done here, but I fear that if Alan Hansen & Co had decided it was a red, this ban would have stood.

If mike Dean has actually admitted it was a mistake, then I take my hat off to him, but I've seen no evidence of that so far. This looks to me like another case of trial by media & on this rare occasion, the media was largely on our side.

[Beefymcfc]

Just listening to TS and Brazil and Irani on the morning show. On Monday they started with the line that they could understand why it was a sending off which was quickly superceded with 'It was a legbreaker' by Irani (the plastic Rag cunt) once there seemed to be some sympathy for Vinnie.

This morning they are begrudgingly congratulating us and Vinnie for a successful appeal but in their bitterness gone with the line 'What about the future of football and the referee'. As Goataldo mentions, the Gonners will be loving this and they've got one coming on soon. Let's see what he's got to say.

One thing that Brazil stated was that Mancini said he would have to go into the market and buy a new CB if it was upheld. Can anybody confirm this as they then used it as a excuse to put pressure on the FA and a sly dig that even Lescott couldn't get a place?

Did you just quote the wikipedia of sports journalism?

Come on mate, you know better than that.

It was early mate, it takes me 2 hours to wake up.