Summer Clear Out

[judythehippy]

yeah, summer clear out because we are 2nd in the league, bizarre.
Sign some TOP players maybe, (unlike last summer) signing Richard Wright as 3rd choice goalie.....what on earth ???

[Lee_R]

We dont need a clearout or overhaul.. more housekeeping and a maybe 3 quality additions. More importantly we need to get more from the players weve got.

[Nige]

Just one midfielder who can get about the pitch & pass is all we need.

[Socrates]

Just one midfielder who can get about the pitch & pass is all we need.

Fair point. The difference when Rodwell was fit for those 45 minutes was amazing.

[ruralblue]

Jesus how spoilt are we becoming. Second in the league, in semis of fa cup and people are calling for a brand fire sale. Odd. One or two may go, one or two may come in but that should be normal for any teams development. A mass sale would mean selling for a lot less than we paid and remember who we buy we pay a 'city' premium.

What we just need is a few players to give there all week in week out rather than just the game the choose to turn it on for.

Yes there are times when I am baffled and yes for sure question some of Mancini tactics. Though we all read Dougs reports the players seem train well. Its just keeping up that momentum for 90 mins in a game.

But no lets get rid of half a squad cause we arent running away with the league. Odd

[Wooders]

But no lets get rid of half a squad cause we arent running away with the league. Odd

Its not just that though is it? -
we're not even in the chase for the title we're 15 points off it FFS, we crashed out of europe in the group stages without winning a single game, got kicked from the league cup early on and the fact is we've had an easy ride in the FA cup and that is the reason we're still in it

get real - there are players in our team that aren't good enough or interested enough in playing for the club - they need to go, we need to freshen up the squad and try again

[Socrates]

But no lets get rid of half a squad cause we arent running away with the league. Odd

Its not just that though is it? -
we're not even in the chase for the title we're 15 points off it FFS, we crashed out of europe in the group stages without winning a single game, got kicked from the league cup early on and the fact is we've had an easy ride in the FA cup and that is the reason we're still in it

get real - there are players in our team that aren't good enough or interested enough in playing for the club - they need to go, we need to freshen up the squad and try again

We aren't 15 points off normal title winning form though. Still odds on to get 80+ which would normally get a club very close.

[Wooders]

whilst that maybe true (for the league) - it doesn't alter the fact we're in the shade of UTD and we need to do something about it

[Socrates]

whilst that maybe true (for the league) - it doesn't alter the fact we're in the shade of UTD and we need to do something about it

To illustrate further, the average number of points for champions in 20-team Premier League era is 85.41 - Even if you took the median of 87, we'd still be in the hunt more years than not. We just have to say too good/ too lucky/ bit of both this year and prepare for next year. Scum finished 18 points off Chelsea one year they didn't panic. The key is not to panic and take it in our stride. Last 5 minutes of 2 games went wrong and set the tone for the season, Real Madrid away and the Scum at our place. With a lack of squad depth and bad luck with injuries we have failed to get into full flow, we are still in with a chance of silverware though and there is more to come from this squad as players settle in or recover from injury. A big clear out isn't the answer.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

To illustrate further, the average number of points for champions in 20-team Premier League era is 85.41 - Even if you took the median of 87, we'd still be in the hunt more years than not. We just have to say too good/ too lucky/ bit of both this year and prepare for next year. Scum finished 18 points off Chelsea one year they didn't panic. The key is not to panic and take it in our stride. Last 5 minutes of 2 games went wrong and set the tone for the season, Real Madrid away and the Scum at our place. With a lack of squad depth and bad luck with injuries we have failed to get into full flow, we are still in with a chance of silverware though and there is more to come from this squad as players settle in or recover from injury. A big clear out isn't the answer.

Is three points usually enough to go close in a Champions League group too?

[Socrates]

To illustrate further, the average number of points for champions in 20-team Premier League era is 85.41 - Even if you took the median of 87, we'd still be in the hunt more years than not. We just have to say too good/ too lucky/ bit of both this year and prepare for next year. Scum finished 18 points off Chelsea one year they didn't panic. The key is not to panic and take it in our stride. Last 5 minutes of 2 games went wrong and set the tone for the season, Real Madrid away and the Scum at our place. With a lack of squad depth and bad luck with injuries we have failed to get into full flow, we are still in with a chance of silverware though and there is more to come from this squad as players settle in or recover from injury. A big clear out isn't the answer.

Is three points usually enough to go close in a Champions League group too?

You don't think that impacted the whole campaign? My summer clearout would start with twats like you.

[Green & Blue]

yeah, summer clear out because we are 2nd in the league, bizarre.
Sign some TOP players maybe, (unlike last summer) signing Richard Wright as 3rd choice goalie.....what on earth ???

Sorry the thread title is a bit misleading I was not actually calling for a mass exodus.I really just wanted to discuss who was not cutting it.As I said in the op it was more about a few tweaks than ripping a very good squad apart and starting form scratch.I just wanted to see who people deemed to be not good enough at present as I know I certainly feel underwhelmed by the contribution of quite a few of the playing staff.

[13021J]

Mario and Dzeko out = £35m and £300k per week

RSC, Bridge, Kolo, Maicon = £380k per week

Lescott, Barry = £8m and £150k per week

Other possibles

Nasri and Tevez = £30m and £350k per week

So we should have an exciting summer, without further funds we could have £73m and £1.2m per week to spend.

[Blue Since 76]

But we won it pal, over 38 games. This argument that United blew it is rubbish in my opinion. Just like people said we'd blew it in the earlier part of the year, it was exactly the same scenario so we can't use it both ways to beat the manager with. The very fact that we have the trophy in our cabinet speaks volumes of our season. We won, they lost, the argument about these 'Ifs and buts' is a moot point, only used to try and prove soemthing that doesn't exist. What actually amazes me is that this is actually used against him when the truth is we all knew that United would drop points whereas we went on a 6 game winning streak beating them in the process.

It is an interesting theory though and may hold more water than you're giving it credit for. We were brilliant at the start of last season, and the rags started just as well. We created a decent gap to them and then imploded after Xmas. Whether that was down to Yaya being away, plus Vince's ban and injury followed by Aguero's injury I don't know, but with nothing more than league football to concentrate on, we were poor.

And I don't just mean results wise - the performances dropped off, the scoring stopped, everything changed. We just drifted through the season until that Arsenal game. At that point, it became almost hopeless - we had to win every game and hope for some luck. The change in level of performance - Chelsea and West Brom at home, Norwich and Newcastle away was amazing. The City from the start of the season was back.

The only squad change was Tevez, and whilst he undoubtedly made a difference, was it all him or was it a compete change in attitude? If the latter, who caused it? Why? Why wasn't it there all season?

Any team can have an off day, a game where so many play below par that you lose. But last season we had a huge flat patch where we just looked like a mid-table side, but world class players occasionally got us points a normal mid-table side wouldn't get. And it's been like that almost all of this season.

Yet look at the FA cup. I'd almost have expected below par performances against the likes of Leeds or Barnsley, yet we were quick, energetic, ruthless. So are we just not very good and can only do that against poor teams (something I don't believe) or do we only do it when the entire mindset is right or something else? If it's a mindset thing, why can we do it in one off do or die games but not for the majority?

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Mario and Dzeko out = £35m and £300k per week

RSC, Bridge, Kolo, Maicon = £380k per week

Lescott, Barry = £8m and £150k per week

Other possibles

Nasri and Tevez = £30m and £350k per week

So we should have an exciting summer, without further funds we could have £73m and £1.2m per week to spend.

And no players.

[Wooders]

Mario and Dzeko out = £35m and £300k per week

RSC, Bridge, Kolo, Maicon = £380k per week

Lescott, Barry = £8m and £150k per week

Other possibles

Nasri and Tevez = £30m and £350k per week

So we should have an exciting summer, without further funds we could have £73m and £1.2m per week to spend.

And no players.

but you see peter, you can buy players - thats how the transfer window works

[Ted Hughes]

Mario and Dzeko out = £35m and £300k per week

RSC, Bridge, Kolo, Maicon = £380k per week

Lescott, Barry = £8m and £150k per week

Other possibles

Nasri and Tevez = £30m and £350k per week

So we should have an exciting summer, without further funds we could have £73m and £1.2m per week to spend.

And no players.

but you see peter, you can buy players - thats how the transfer window works

Haha.

Tevez Lescott Kolo & Barry all leaving would be quite a break up of the spine of the team imo.

If that was to happen, we would have to hope that their replacements were bloody good & took to Premier League football very quickly, or we would be in for a season that makes this one look like the rags' treble year.

[Crossie]

One big eye catching signing, 2 quality signings and some f-in trust in the youth would inject some enthusiastic legs into the 11.

We are stale and leaderless on the pitch.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I can't see a mass clear out somehow and I don't think it would be a good idea anyway.

Do we really want to get rid of Barry and Lescott. Maybe they are not the top leading players we need to move forward but aren't they exactly what we need in the squad.Really good experienced players who can do a good job when drafted in to give the "first team" a break.Maybe the pertinent question is whether such players would be happy to stay if their expected role is diminished.I would put Carlos in this category as well.For me he is still quality and if it's true that he is now enjoying Manchester he would be great to have in the squad.

I get the feeling both would.Others like Sinclair should go as they need to make a career playing somewhere at their true standard. Kolarov I would be happy to see go and maybe Edin but that might be it for me.We could go out and get the real deal striker,another star midfield attacking goalscorer and a couple of top defenders

[Ted Hughes]

I can't see a mass clear out somehow and I don't think it would be a good idea anyway.

Do we really want to get rid of Barry and Lescott. Maybe they are not the top leading players we need to move forward but aren't they exactly what we need in the squad.Really good experienced players who can do a good job when drafted in to give the "first team" a break.Maybe the pertinent question is whether such players would be happy to stay if their expected role is diminished.I would put Carlos in this category as well.For me he is still quality and if it's true that he is now enjoying Manchester he would be great to have in the squad.

I get the feeling both would.Others like Sinclair should go as they need to make a career playing somewhere at their true standard. Kolarov I would be happy to see go and maybe Edin but that might be it for me.We could go out and get the real deal striker,another star midfield attacking goalscorer and a couple of top defenders

Barry was awful v Everton but I assume that was not how he will continue. He, Tevez & Lescott should all be kept if possible on short contracts & I would consider keeping Kolo too if his wage demands aren't silly. We should replace them gradually & only when their replacements have proven over a period of time that they can be relied upon, let the 'old guard' go.

Kolarov, Nasri, Maicon, Sinclair, & possibly Dzeko have never felt like full members of the team & should all be available if the right replacement can be brought in imo. We also need a different option to Silva, preferably two.

If we consolidate our position, I would like to see some of the kids get a few minutes in the latter games, especially with the cup now being a priority. I recon we may have one or two kids who can add to the 1st team on occasions next season.