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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Chinners » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:05 am

Can I say both (oh no, I can't) ... I'll go for B then as I'd rather keep Nasri than Dzeko
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:09 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Im_Spartacus wrote:
You will probably find if ever a detailed analysis is done of our last 2 or 3 seasons, that even though we have huge numbers of shots on target, very few get through the sea of legs the player had o hit the ball through.

As a result I don't blame the strikerso for last season, but the approach we took that we walked he ball through the oppositions area more often than not, an approach that failed quite often from December 2011 until may.

A different approach will see the quality strikers we have full their boots, so I'm really not overly arsed about Cavani, but I would like another magician so option a for me


Once again I find myself agreeing with you. The quality of the chances, the clear cut ones if you like, seemed thinner on the ground last season.


I agree that the quality of chance were thinner on the ground but it doesn't excuse how shit our strikers were.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:12 am

Oh and I want Cavani more than Isco so I guess I'm on the B team.

Cavani is streets ahead of Dzeko as a footballer. Just as good a finisher but a lot more intelligent and much bigger balls.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:25 am

aaron bond wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Dameerto wrote:Love Isco, totally ambivalent about Nasri - love Dzeko, pretty 'meh' about Cavani - so obviously 'A' for me.


I'm in this crew.
I think Dzeko has tons of potential in right system and if Pellegrini can really fire him up, which is supposed to be his thing, I really don't see much diference between him and Cavani. In fact, I see lot of bust potential with Cavani as well. He definitely needs right system around him too. And this doesn't bother me as much as many other supporters but Cavani can look clumsy occasionally as well.

This Isco kid, I really like him. I don't think he is surefire star but he is already million miles more dynamic than Nasri and has potential to be fantastic.


Nasri has underperformed for the majority of his time with us, and we could probably still get a reasonable fee for him, which would go someway to paying for Isco, so I'd be happy for us to sell him.

Whilst Cavani has been excellent in Italy, his fee would be extortionate, and so with our current strikers (extending Tevez's contract for a year or 2), and the impact of Navas and Isco into the side, I think we'd score far more goals next season. Dzeko, particularly, would benefit I believe.


From what I've seen of his teams, Pellegrini plays two up front almost exclusively. He has different variations but it seems his preferred combo would be traditional centerforward who eats defenders with quicker and trickier guy playing off him who eats space. That would quite naturally be Dzeko and Aguero/Tevez. If one of them was off form or needed resting Tevez could easily take the job of Dzeko there.

We still need fourth striker for sure but doubt we would spend 37m on one. There's one option here though that very few seem to have contemplated so far. There's great possibility that we are indeed serious about Cavani and looking to offload Tevez. I think lot of people underestimate how much his golf holiday angered people within organization. People think it was just between Mancini and Tevez but I could well see someone like Khaldoon being deeply insulted. As a gentleman and wicked businessman he would never come out to say it but they didn't make their billions by being doormat for working staff. Furthermore, Dzeko was at his finest playing alongside Grafite, who is not too dissimilar to Cavani, in Wolfsburg and combo of Cavani and Dzeko could be lethal in right system.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:28 am

" If one of them was off form or needed resting Tevez could easily take the job of Dzeko there. "

Do you think? Tevez as a traditional 9? I don't think so, he hasn't the discipline in his game to play a role like that imo.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:34 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:" If one of them was off form or needed resting Tevez could easily take the job of Dzeko there. "

Do you think? Tevez as a traditional 9? I don't think so, he hasn't the discipline in his game to play a role like that imo.


Oh, I absolutely do. In fact I've seen him do it for Argentina. He plays it differently ie providing lot more movement than your average CF and on the other hand obviously not being dominant in the air. But he can play with his back to goal, protect the ball, turn around and be lethal. He has great upper body strength which is absolutely essential for me. It's just that with us and rags he was rarely if ever asked to do that.

And before some fool jumps into it, I'm not saying that is his best position. Not AT ALL. I'm saying he can do it if asked.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:39 am

I agree Cavani & Dzeko could possibly play together. That, possibly with a winger, would be the 'plan b' that we have never used.

I would sign Isco, (but keep Nasri unless another similar player is on the radar).

Dzeko imo would have no problems if he put in 100% every week. Great that he scores goals but if the team has to play like shit in order for him to score, he's not worth it; just like Van Horseface at the swamp. He has one game on & one game off. If he stays this season & doesn't put the work in for for Pellegrini, that's two managers who can't get the best out of him; then we should negotiate with clubs & boot him out immediately the season ends. Pull your finger out Edin, or do one.

I don't think we will sign Cavani. It wouldn't surprise me if we stepped down in return for Madrid leaving Isco to us.

I do think we need to sign 'somebody' up front though. Just to give us a different angle on things. Even if it's just a kid.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:43 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:" If one of them was off form or needed resting Tevez could easily take the job of Dzeko there. "

Do you think? Tevez as a traditional 9? I don't think so, he hasn't the discipline in his game to play a role like that imo.


Oh, I absolutely do. In fact I've seen him do it for Argentina. He plays it differently ie providing lot more movement than your average CF and on the other hand obviously not being dominant in the air. But he can play with his back to goal, protect the ball, turn around and be lethal. He has great upper body strength which is absolutely essential for me. It's just that with us and rags he was rarely if ever asked to do that.

And before some fool jumps into it, I'm not saying that is his best position. Not AT ALL. I'm saying he can do it if asked.


I agree about playing with his back to goal and that he has the upper body strength for it, I just think knowing Carlos that he wouldn't stay there to fulfil his duty, he'd more likely come deep hunting for the ball wanting to create everything, which in turn would fuck the teams shape. That's what I mean by not having the discipline to play a role like that. I think that was the main bone of contention with Mancini tbh and also the reason he was never a regular for the Rags.

Don't get me wrong, fantastic player but Carlos does what Carlos wants.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:43 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:" If one of them was off form or needed resting Tevez could easily take the job of Dzeko there. "

Do you think? Tevez as a traditional 9? I don't think so, he hasn't the discipline in his game to play a role like that imo.


Oh, I absolutely do. In fact I've seen him do it for Argentina. He plays it differently ie providing lot more movement than your average CF and on the other hand obviously not being dominant in the air. But he can play with his back to goal, protect the ball, turn around and be lethal. He has great upper body strength which is absolutely essential for me. It's just that with us and rags he was rarely if ever asked to do that.

And before some fool jumps into it, I'm not saying that is his best position. Not AT ALL. I'm saying he can do it if asked.


Tevez doesn't really play as a striker very often for Argentina.

I think he is a GREAT player & could play anywhere in midfield or attack if he wants to. Some of the only decent crosses we have had last season are from Tevez. Likewise some of the best delivery from free kicks. He does the stuff Silva & Nasri are supposed to do, often better than they do it.

It looks like he's off though. I hope not.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:44 am

Ted Hughes wrote:I agree Cavani & Dzeko could possibly play together. That, possibly with a winger, would be the 'plan b' that we have never used.

I would sign Isco, (but keep Nasri unless another similar player is on the radar).

Dzeko imo would have no problems if he put in 100% every week. Great that he scores goals but if the team has to play like shit in order for him to score, he's not worth it; just like Van Horseface at the swamp. He has one game on & one game off. If he stays this season & doesn't put the work in for for Pellegrini, that's two managers who can't get the best out of him; then we should negotiate with clubs & boot him out immediately the season ends. Pull your finger out Edin, or do one.

I don't think we will sign Cavani. It wouldn't surprise me if we stepped down in return for Madrid leaving Isco to us.
I do think we need to sign 'somebody' up front though. Just to give us a different angle on things. Even if it's just a kid.


That's another thing. Apparently we have had some discussions with Real and my assumption is that it is about these transfers. We get clear path for Isco and they get Cavani or something like that.

I agree about the last line. We definitely need fourth striker to compete with guys. Someone who will be able to step in if/when injuries mount up and otherwise will keep rest of strikers on their toes. Preferably some youngster.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:46 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:" If one of them was off form or needed resting Tevez could easily take the job of Dzeko there. "

Do you think? Tevez as a traditional 9? I don't think so, he hasn't the discipline in his game to play a role like that imo.


Oh, I absolutely do. In fact I've seen him do it for Argentina. He plays it differently ie providing lot more movement than your average CF and on the other hand obviously not being dominant in the air. But he can play with his back to goal, protect the ball, turn around and be lethal. He has great upper body strength which is absolutely essential for me. It's just that with us and rags he was rarely if ever asked to do that.

And before some fool jumps into it, I'm not saying that is his best position. Not AT ALL. I'm saying he can do it if asked.


Tevez doesn't really play as a striker very often for Argentina.

I think he is a GREAT player & could play anywhere in midfield or attack if he wants to. Some of the only decent crosses we have had last season are from Tevez. Likewise some of the best delivery from free kicks. He does the stuff Silva & Nasri are supposed to do, often better than they do it.

It looks like he's off though. I hope not.


Yet when he wasn't around Silva produced his best stuff in a City shirt. Coincidence?
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:48 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:" If one of them was off form or needed resting Tevez could easily take the job of Dzeko there. "

Do you think? Tevez as a traditional 9? I don't think so, he hasn't the discipline in his game to play a role like that imo.


Oh, I absolutely do. In fact I've seen him do it for Argentina. He plays it differently ie providing lot more movement than your average CF and on the other hand obviously not being dominant in the air. But he can play with his back to goal, protect the ball, turn around and be lethal. He has great upper body strength which is absolutely essential for me. It's just that with us and rags he was rarely if ever asked to do that.

And before some fool jumps into it, I'm not saying that is his best position. Not AT ALL. I'm saying he can do it if asked.


Tevez doesn't really play as a striker very often for Argentina.

I think he is a GREAT player & could play anywhere in midfield or attack if he wants to. Some of the only decent crosses we have had last season are from Tevez. Likewise some of the best delivery from free kicks. He does the stuff Silva & Nasri are supposed to do, often better than they do it.

It looks like he's off though. I hope not.


Yet when he wasn't around Silva produced his best stuff in a City shirt. Coincidence?


Yes.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:54 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:" If one of them was off form or needed resting Tevez could easily take the job of Dzeko there. "

Do you think? Tevez as a traditional 9? I don't think so, he hasn't the discipline in his game to play a role like that imo.


Oh, I absolutely do. In fact I've seen him do it for Argentina. He plays it differently ie providing lot more movement than your average CF and on the other hand obviously not being dominant in the air. But he can play with his back to goal, protect the ball, turn around and be lethal. He has great upper body strength which is absolutely essential for me. It's just that with us and rags he was rarely if ever asked to do that.

And before some fool jumps into it, I'm not saying that is his best position. Not AT ALL. I'm saying he can do it if asked.


Tevez doesn't really play as a striker very often for Argentina.

I think he is a GREAT player & could play anywhere in midfield or attack if he wants to. Some of the only decent crosses we have had last season are from Tevez. Likewise some of the best delivery from free kicks. He does the stuff Silva & Nasri are supposed to do, often better than they do it.

It looks like he's off though. I hope not.


Not now but like I said, I've seen him do it in the past.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:59 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:" If one of them was off form or needed resting Tevez could easily take the job of Dzeko there. "

Do you think? Tevez as a traditional 9? I don't think so, he hasn't the discipline in his game to play a role like that imo.


Oh, I absolutely do. In fact I've seen him do it for Argentina. He plays it differently ie providing lot more movement than your average CF and on the other hand obviously not being dominant in the air. But he can play with his back to goal, protect the ball, turn around and be lethal. He has great upper body strength which is absolutely essential for me. It's just that with us and rags he was rarely if ever asked to do that.

And before some fool jumps into it, I'm not saying that is his best position. Not AT ALL. I'm saying he can do it if asked.


Tevez doesn't really play as a striker very often for Argentina.

I think he is a GREAT player & could play anywhere in midfield or attack if he wants to. Some of the only decent crosses we have had last season are from Tevez. Likewise some of the best delivery from free kicks. He does the stuff Silva & Nasri are supposed to do, often better than they do it.

It looks like he's off though. I hope not.


Not now but like I said, I've seen him do it in the past.


Yeah I agree, but he can do anything & just adapts to whatever Argentina ask him to do & is usually one of their best players, whether playing cf, left side or behind the front two or even 3. If it wasn't for the 'golfing' business, he'd be back in their squad now imo.

If he was just Joe normal, I recon he would be our Scholes. Still playing in 5 years as a centre mid or something.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Florida Blue » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:50 pm

YayaJonas wrote:A for me. Just because I think with wingers we will get a much better performance from Dzeko and it won't cost £50 mil + and that will help our FFP



This, I don't see any difference between the Dzeko and Cavani other than a steep price tag. Given the service Dzeko had last year Cavani wouldn't fai rmuch better. Both players need cross, both players have unreliable first touches, but both can clearly finish. No need to spend the money for a player we essenially already have.

That said, I would take option A, but see no reason to sell Nasri. We plan on playing a lot more matches this year, don't we?
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby MilnersJaw » Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:35 pm

Bleed_Blue wrote:Neither

Buy Isco, keep Nasri, keep Dzeko.

Dzeko and Aguero if they give their best then we really dont need Cavani, not with the stupid money atleast.

Remember when Dzeko was good on counter attack, with Navas in team Dzeko can do better. Also Dzeko does provide some useful assists, misses sitters at times but I am not really sure how good of an improvement Cavani will be over Dzeko.

Dzeko with improved work rate is no less than Cavani. And Nasri is going to shine.


Dzeko so fking slow it's unbelievable he's a footballer.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Risby » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:38 pm

I went for B, but it is looking more and more unlikely that Cavani will come to us and sign for Madrid.

Could be a blessing if you think about the money that can be saved or used to buy two players to strengthen the squad.

Isco is looking excellent and I think I would be more gutted if we missed out on him.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Alioune DVToure » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:15 pm

Risby wrote:I went for B, but it is looking more and more unlikely that Cavani will come to us and sign for Madrid.


Agreed. In fact, it's almost inconceivable that he'll do both.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Green & Blue » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:33 pm

Cavani is a player i would like here but the fee being touted around is not even funny.I don't like the way Italian sides do business whatsoever and unless a player is ridiculously good i would rather City steer well clear of dealing with Italian clubs.Think we will get our arses properly spanked by Napoli if City want this badly enough.
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Re: If you could only choose A or B...

Postby Cit.revenge » Wed Jun 19, 2013 5:48 am

MilnersJaw wrote:
Bleed_Blue wrote:Neither

Buy Isco, keep Nasri, keep Dzeko.

Dzeko and Aguero if they give their best then we really dont need Cavani, not with the stupid money atleast.

Remember when Dzeko was good on counter attack, with Navas in team Dzeko can do better. Also Dzeko does provide some useful assists, misses sitters at times but I am not really sure how good of an improvement Cavani will be over Dzeko.

Dzeko with improved work rate is no less than Cavani. And Nasri is going to shine.


Dzeko so fking slow it's unbelievable he's a footballer.

Hes slow hmmm sprint when he gave ball to Adam Against Arsenal , sprint when Nasri hit him for second goal on Spurs 1 5 , sprint against West Brom for 1 2 sprint against QPR 3 2 win ect ect, hes not slow City is slow at list was last season .I agree when u say he have poor touch but no for hes size hes far from slow.And if i m not going to miss on player that is Isco Reason hes magic , young , 30 mill,hes future and Cavani price is insane.
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