Free kick taker.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Ok here's a better example.
Lopes (the lad who scored v Watford) has our highest goals to minutes ratio this season.
That's a fact which can not be argued with. So therefore he's our best goalscorer?
That's what I mean by people can use facts incredibly selectively to try and prove what ever point they want.

And if someone tries to do that you discuss the basis of the opinion and show him or her that at least statistically, using small sample sizes can be very misleading. Or you might just say that going by one appearance is just stupid. Saying that a poor use of a type of argument or ground for opinion automatically makes any use of that type of argument arbitrary, just doesn't make sense.

I wasn't saying it automatically makes any argument stupid. I just think he's very poorly used stats to try and prove his point.
Stats are often thrown about on here and people say 'you can't argue with facts'. Whilst you can't argue with facts, they're almost always used incredibly selectively.

But back on topic. I can't tell if he was joking when he said Balotelli 'shits all over Bale and Ronaldo'. Even the most deluded of people can't possibly think that. If Balotelli was that good do you not think he would have been our regular taker and scored a load for us? Bale and Ronaldo on the other hand have quite a few goals from free kicks. I can't remember Balotelli scoring one for us or even going close.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I wasn't saying it automatically makes any argument stupid. I just think he's very poorly used stats to try and prove his point.
Stats are often thrown about on here and people say 'you can't argue with facts'. Whilst you can't argue with facts, they're almost always used incredibly selectively.

But back on topic. I can't tell if he was joking when he said Balotelli 'shits all over Bale and Messi'. Even the most deluded of people can't possibly think that. If Balotelli was that good do you not think he would have been our regular taker and scored a load for us? Bale and Ronaldo on the other hand have quite a few goals from free kicks. I can't remember Balotelli scoring one for us or even going close.

I've asked you several times to tell me how his stats are "manipulated" but you haven't shown how. You've just repeatedly said that stats can be used for anything. Well bravo for stating the obvious. Can you now say what's so wrong with his stats about ronaldo's freekicks? And can you show how balotelli's worse than ronaldo without resorting to what you remember or not.

Now there's no doubt in my mind that maxi is wrong but I see little evidence of that here, in this thread. All I see is a condescending attitude from you without really having done anything to deserve that.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I wasn't saying it automatically makes any argument stupid. I just think he's very poorly used stats to try and prove his point.
Stats are often thrown about on here and people say 'you can't argue with facts'. Whilst you can't argue with facts, they're almost always used incredibly selectively.

But back on topic. I can't tell if he was joking when he said Balotelli 'shits all over Bale and Messi'. Even the most deluded of people can't possibly think that. If Balotelli was that good do you not think he would have been our regular taker and scored a load for us? Bale and Ronaldo on the other hand have quite a few goals from free kicks. I can't remember Balotelli scoring one for us or even going close.

I've asked you several times to tell me how his stats are "manipulated" but you haven't shown how. You've just repeatedly said that stats can be used for anything. Well bravo for stating the obvious. Can you now say what's so wrong with his stats about ronaldo's freekicks? And can you show how balotelli's worse than ronaldo without resorting to what you remember or not.

Now there's no doubt in my mind that maxi is wrong but I see little evidence of that here, in this thread. All I see is a condescending attitude from you without really having done anything to deserve that.

Had you bothered to read what I wrote rather than jump to conclusions you would see i retracted the word manipulated a couple of posts back.
What's wrong are firstly he hasn't given the source of those stats and secondly he didn't even give Balos stats to compare them to. I don't see how that shows Balotelli shitting all over him.

But you don't always need facts and stats to make a point. You just need to watch them taking free kicks to see who is better. If i see two players take ten free kicks each, I'd say that's enough to form a judgement over who looks better at them.
My counter evidence is that both Bale and Ronaldo have scored far more free kicks than Balo has. There you go.

[Mase]

Right lets just all agree Kolarov shits on both Balotelli and Tranny.

[sidSmith]

Right lets just all agree Kolarov shits on both Balotelli and Tranny.

He has an accuracy of 11%, so he definitely does. Fact.

[Mase]

He has an accuracy of 11%, so he definitely does. Fact.

Be careful now. Don't want anyone accusing you of manipulating stats...

[Cocacolajojo1]

He has an accuracy of 11%, so he definitely does. Fact.

I was just thinking about kolarov actually. I think he's so overrated as a freekick takes. I mean he's scored a few but he gets to take every free kick when he's on the field. But he's actually better than ronaldo then, at least measured in conversion rate. Ducked up. And auto correct.

And where are those numbers from?

[sidSmith]

Be careful now. Don't want anyone accusing you of manipulating stats...

Manipulating isn't the word...

[Ted Hughes]

I wasn't saying it automatically makes any argument stupid. I just think he's very poorly used stats to try and prove his point.
Stats are often thrown about on here and people say 'you can't argue with facts'. Whilst you can't argue with facts, they're almost always used incredibly selectively.

But back on topic. I can't tell if he was joking when he said Balotelli 'shits all over Bale and Messi'. Even the most deluded of people can't possibly think that. If Balotelli was that good do you not think he would have been our regular taker and scored a load for us? Bale and Ronaldo on the other hand have quite a few goals from free kicks. I can't remember Balotelli scoring one for us or even going close.

I've asked you several times to tell me how his stats are "manipulated" but you haven't shown how. You've just repeatedly said that stats can be used for anything. Well bravo for stating the obvious. Can you now say what's so wrong with his stats about ronaldo's freekicks? And can you show how balotelli's worse than ronaldo without resorting to what you remember or not.

Now there's no doubt in my mind that maxi is wrong but I see little evidence of that here, in this thread. All I see is a condescending attitude from you without really having done anything to deserve that.

FFS, instead of trying to be controversial, why don't you actually read the stats that were posted & the context of the stats he used ?

It's absolutely obvious how the stats were manipulated if you are reading it as a neutral instead of tying to pull people up.

He said Balotelli hit the target IN ONE GAME 7 times, which means he had the best accuracy rate & therefore was a better free kick taker.

To prove this he put these stats down re Ronaldo: he put down the number of free kicks, the number of off target free kicks, the number of free kicks which hit the wall & the number of goals scored, which he said amounts to an 8% accuracy rating.

Can you notice anying missing ?

Why yes, he didn't put down the stat for how many free kicks WERE ON TARGET. The very fucking point he was arguing.

If you work it out, it mean Ronaldo has a 30 odd percent accuracy rating NOT 8% as he claimed.

If that isn't manipulating the stats, then what is ?

It is the action of a lunatic fanboy.

You have skimmed through it and decided to pick an argument, without even reading the details.

[Cocacolajojo1]

FFS, instead of trying to be controversial, why don't you actually read the stats that were posted & the context of the stats he used ?

It's absolutely obvious how the stats were manipulated if you are reading it as a neutral instead of tying to pull people up.

He said Balotelli hit the target IN ONE GAME 7 times, which means he had the best accuracy rate & therefore was a better free kick taker.

To prove this he put these stats down re Ronaldo: he put down the number of free kicks, the number of off target free kicks, the number of free kicks which hit the wall & the number of goals scored, which he said amounts to an 8% accuracy rating.

Can you notice anying missing ?

Why yes, he didn't put down the stat for how many free kicks WERE ON TARGET. The very fucking point he was arguing.

If you work it out, it mean Ronaldo has a 30 odd percent accuracy rating NOT 8% as he claimed.

If that isn't manipulating the stats, then what is ?

It is the action of a lunatic fanboy.

You have skimmed through it and decided to pick an argument, without even reading the details.

I can't even begin to describe what a lack of interest I have in answering your post, so I'll just stop here. :-)

Cunt this and cunt that, how many strikers does it take to switch a lightbulb, etc.

[twosips]

Jesus christ. This 'Balotelli is a great free kick taker!' argument is one of the most retarded i've ever come across. It's based on some youtube videos from 4 years ago and stats from ONE game in Italy....incredible.

Anyone who's watched City consistently since he signed could say with great confidence that he's terrible. Used to sigh when i saw him stood over the ball. He fucking wastes them. Never even went vaguely close.

[Ted Hughes]

FFS, instead of trying to be controversial, why don't you actually read the stats that were posted & the context of the stats he used ?

It's absolutely obvious how the stats were manipulated if you are reading it as a neutral instead of tying to pull people up.

He said Balotelli hit the target IN ONE GAME 7 times, which means he had the best accuracy rate & therefore was a better free kick taker.

To prove this he put these stats down re Ronaldo: he put down the number of free kicks, the number of off target free kicks, the number of free kicks which hit the wall & the number of goals scored, which he said amounts to an 8% accuracy rating.

Can you notice anying missing ?

Why yes, he didn't put down the stat for how many free kicks WERE ON TARGET. The very fucking point he was arguing.

If you work it out, it mean Ronaldo has a 30 odd percent accuracy rating NOT 8% as he claimed.

If that isn't manipulating the stats, then what is ?

It is the action of a lunatic fanboy.

You have skimmed through it and decided to pick an argument, without even reading the details.

I can't even begin to describe what a lack of interest I have in answering your post, so I'll just stop here. :-)

Cunt this and cunt that, how many strikers does it take to switch a lightbulb, etc.

See that is fairly typical of the kind of stuff you post on here.

Pretend as if you are rising above everyone but actually you are dishing out insults & trying to be one up on people.

Youre not interested in 'facts' now I've given them to you, but you were lecturing Brigesrightfoot on 'facts'.

And of course, answering me is beneath you, because your behaviour & your football sense, is so much better than mine.

[Ted Hughes]

Jesus christ. This 'Balotelli is a great free kick taker!' argument is one of the most retarded i've ever come across. It's based on some youtube videos from 4 years ago and stats from ONE game in Italy....incredible.

Anyone who's watched City consistently since he signed could say with great confidence that he's terrible. Used to sigh when i saw him stood over the ball. He fucking wastes them. Never even went vaguely close.

I actually think he could be every bit as good as his fanboy says he is though, IF he put some solid, extra hours work in on it.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

FFS, instead of trying to be controversial, why don't you actually read the stats that were posted & the context of the stats he used ?

It's absolutely obvious how the stats were manipulated if you are reading it as a neutral instead of tying to pull people up.

He said Balotelli hit the target IN ONE GAME 7 times, which means he had the best accuracy rate & therefore was a better free kick taker.

To prove this he put these stats down re Ronaldo: he put down the number of free kicks, the number of off target free kicks, the number of free kicks which hit the wall & the number of goals scored, which he said amounts to an 8% accuracy rating.

Can you notice anying missing ?

Why yes, he didn't put down the stat for how many free kicks WERE ON TARGET. The very fucking point he was arguing.

If you work it out, it mean Ronaldo has a 30 odd percent accuracy rating NOT 8% as he claimed.

If that isn't manipulating the stats, then what is ?

It is the action of a lunatic fanboy.

You have skimmed through it and decided to pick an argument, without even reading the details.

I can't even begin to describe what a lack of interest I have in answering your post, so I'll just stop here. :-)

Cunt this and cunt that, how many strikers does it take to switch a lightbulb, etc.

Typical, you get stumped and refuse to answer.

[london blue 2]

Jesus christ. This 'Balotelli is a great free kick taker!' argument is one of the most retarded i've ever come across. It's based on some youtube videos from 4 years ago and stats from ONE game in Italy....incredible.

Anyone who's watched City consistently since he signed could say with great confidence that he's terrible. Used to sigh when i saw him stood over the ball. He fucking wastes them. Never even went vaguely close.

Absofuckinglutely. Good striker. Great peno taker. Absolutely bobbins at free kicks in a match environment.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Jesus christ. This 'Balotelli is a great free kick taker!' argument is one of the most retarded i've ever come across. It's based on some youtube videos from 4 years ago and stats from ONE game in Italy....incredible.

Anyone who's watched City consistently since he signed could say with great confidence that he's terrible. Used to sigh when i saw him stood over the ball. He fucking wastes them. Never even went vaguely close.

Absofuckinglutely. Good striker. Great peno taker. Absolutely bobbins at free kicks in a match environment.

WHAT?! Did you not know that Balotelli 'shits all over Ronaldo and Bale'!?
And Maxxi has the stats to back this up too.

[Cocacolajojo1]

FFS, instead of trying to be controversial, why don't you actually read the stats that were posted & the context of the stats he used ?

It's absolutely obvious how the stats were manipulated if you are reading it as a neutral instead of tying to pull people up.

He said Balotelli hit the target IN ONE GAME 7 times, which means he had the best accuracy rate & therefore was a better free kick taker.

To prove this he put these stats down re Ronaldo: he put down the number of free kicks, the number of off target free kicks, the number of free kicks which hit the wall & the number of goals scored, which he said amounts to an 8% accuracy rating.

Can you notice anying missing ?

Why yes, he didn't put down the stat for how many free kicks WERE ON TARGET. The very fucking point he was arguing.

If you work it out, it mean Ronaldo has a 30 odd percent accuracy rating NOT 8% as he claimed.

If that isn't manipulating the stats, then what is ?

It is the action of a lunatic fanboy.

You have skimmed through it and decided to pick an argument, without even reading the details.

I can't even begin to describe what a lack of interest I have in answering your post, so I'll just stop here. :-)

Cunt this and cunt that, how many strikers does it take to switch a lightbulb, etc.

Typical, you get stumped and refuse to answer.

I didn't know we had had so many run-ins with each other that you had started to see some sort of pattern in my behaviour, but you know, words can be manipulated in all sorts of ways to convey whatever you want them to, like "I am a blue car that run on ethanol or childrens' dreams" or "You are a bit sad in that you need to hide behind another poster for him or her to fight your battles for you, what are you, twelve? This is not a shool-yard.".

[Ted Hughes]

FFS, instead of trying to be controversial, why don't you actually read the stats that were posted & the context of the stats he used ?

It's absolutely obvious how the stats were manipulated if you are reading it as a neutral instead of tying to pull people up.

He said Balotelli hit the target IN ONE GAME 7 times, which means he had the best accuracy rate & therefore was a better free kick taker.

To prove this he put these stats down re Ronaldo: he put down the number of free kicks, the number of off target free kicks, the number of free kicks which hit the wall & the number of goals scored, which he said amounts to an 8% accuracy rating.

Can you notice anying missing ?

Why yes, he didn't put down the stat for how many free kicks WERE ON TARGET. The very fucking point he was arguing.

If you work it out, it mean Ronaldo has a 30 odd percent accuracy rating NOT 8% as he claimed.

If that isn't manipulating the stats, then what is ?

It is the action of a lunatic fanboy.

You have skimmed through it and decided to pick an argument, without even reading the details.

I can't even begin to describe what a lack of interest I have in answering your post, so I'll just stop here. :-)

Cunt this and cunt that, how many strikers does it take to switch a lightbulb, etc.

Typical, you get stumped and refuse to answer.

I didn't know we had had so many run-ins with each other that you had started to see some sort of pattern in my behaviour, but you know, words can be manipulated in all sorts of ways to convey whatever you want them to, like "I am a blue car that run on ethanol or childrens' dreams" or "You are a bit sad in that you need to hide behind another poster for him or her to fight your battles for you, what are you, twelve? This is not a shool-yard.".

He didn't hide, you did. You asked for facts & when presented with them, exited like a spoilt teenager.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Hi Mr Angry

Pretend as if you are rising above everyone but actually you are dishing out insults & trying to be one up on people.

Who's pretending what now? I don't really feel that I need an agenda to participate on a football forum and it's sad to know that your world is so small that you feel that you need to.

And of course, answering me is beneath you, because your behaviour & your football sense, is so much better than mine

Thank you for the compliments! This means a lot to me because I know that you have an excellent knowledge about other posters' position in the hiearchy of football knowledge:

Seeing as there are loads of us & one of you, the simplest way to solve this, would be if you were to just fuck off.

You contribute nothing

http://www.mancityfans.net/mcfnet/viewtopic.php?f=119&t=46170&start=75

FFS, instead of trying to be controversial, why don't you actually read the stats that were posted & the context of the stats he used ? You have skimmed through it and decided to pick an argument, without even reading the details.

I don't know about me skipping the details but I do know about you, as maxxis twitter quote mentioned 7 attempts on target, not hits.

OptaPaolo
7 - Balotelli attempted 7 shots on target from direct free-kicks vs Chievo, the most in a single game across the top-5 Euro leagues this term. Obsession.

He said Balotelli hit the target IN ONE GAME 7 times, which means he had the best accuracy rate & therefore was a better free kick taker.

Which brings me to the next point:

To prove this he put these stats down re Ronaldo: he put down the number of free kicks, the number of off target free kicks, the number of free kicks which hit the wall & the number of goals scored, which he said amounts to an 8% accuracy rating.

Can you notice anying missing ?

Why yes, he didn't put down the stat for how many free kicks WERE ON TARGET. The very fucking point he was arguing.

He put two stats that weren't even comparable against each other. It's you who's then claiming manipulation. He never said anything about general stats in the post about Balotelli's seven attempts against Chievo, neither do I know anything about why it's such a good thing to attempt seven free kicks against Chievo. It was just sloppy from him. You assumed that meant something which it didn't. Maxxi's posts were remarkably strange but nothing like the reactions they got from you and Bridge's.

Now I noticed you had become your Mr Angry-side and so steered clear, because I don't really feel that discussing with you when you're in that cunt of a mood gives me any insights that you otherwise offer. So instead I chose to engage with this remarkably ridiculous post:

Agreed, I don't care what any manipulated facts say, he was utter shit at them. I got pissed off every time he was about to take one because I knew it was going straight into the wall. And it did...every time.

Now this poster was obviously just stupid in not really engaging with his stats but just disregarding them because stats can always be altered bla bla bla. He clearly couldn't see through the strange numbers put forward by Maxxi and decided to throw out this nonsense bullshit. It is as sensible as saying "I don't care that your argument is a great one, words can be connected and changed and manipulated to be in any possible order and mean anything". Now as I like stats I find the above post and poster ignorant and offensive. Simples.

As for this;

FFS, instead of trying to be controversial,

, I actually wrote the following in a previous post:

Now there's no doubt in my mind that maxi is wrong but I see little evidence of that here, in this thread.

And I still don't. I don't see any proof of anything. I still don't see what's so wrong about maxxi's stats about Ronaldo but I also don't see anything to prove that Balotelli's stats are better. I may have missed something but the only stat that maxxi has posted about Balotelli in this thread is that he attempted, not succeded, to hit the target with 7 free kicks against Chievo. I have no idea what to make of that. It's like saying that peanut-butter is not as good a sandwich spread as chocolate because of tsunamis.

Now I'm not saying that you can't prove anything if you haven't got stats. QUite the contrary. Bridge's on the other hand had as only argument that he didn't remember this and that. Which, coupled with the condescendant and ignorant attitude displayed in the above, I felt like arguing with. And then you came along and contradicted yourself. Great for you. Hope it made you happier!

If I get around to it later in the week, I will actually post the stats about Bale, Kolarov, Balotelli and Ronaldo, just need to find a good site that provides some stats. I don't think anyone but Maxxi will be surprised with the result.

[Cocacolajojo1]

He didn't hide, you did. You asked for facts & when presented with them, exited like a spoilt teenager.

I suggest you grow up and stop caring about when and how I use this forum :).