brite blu sky wrote:What would be good enough evidence of moving in the right direction?
Good question.
brite blu sky wrote:What would be good enough evidence of moving in the right direction?
brite blu sky wrote:Bit of a tangent this but seems a good enough thread to put it in.
One aspect of the move to holistic if you like is the promise and push to be producing our own players who can play the way we want. If Barca are anything to go by then those players have to be very good but they don't have to be all Messi.
So with that in mind and looking at the current debate on here about buying every mega star around in order to try and make us feel better about competing in the short term; my question is this:
As a City fan, having our history in mind, would you be prepared to just see us build for the longer term for the next few years, or have we all now switched to give it me all and give me now?
Tokyo Blue wrote:Good question.
brite blu sky wrote:
Likewise on that, both aspirations can be accommodated, and in reality have to be.. City cannot let the team go to seed while waiting for something to build.
So the word has got to be balance then. How do City balance keeping the current squad fighting for the title and allowing some opportunities for the academy lads to get in there?
What would be good enough evidence of moving in the right direction?
Twobob wrote:Tokyo Blue wrote:Good question.
It is, and for me the progression would be that we can maintain our CL spot (top 3) keep up a good challenge for the title and have good cup runs all while we're blooding our own youth players along side the class we already have. Chelsea havent been able to do it and in the last 4/5 years neither have the scum (although you would think that every player was born and raised in Trafford Park if you listen to them bleat).
Of course getting out of the group stages of the CL is key too, we need to get out of that '3rd' pot we're shoved in and avoid the nasty groups like we had the last two attempts!
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:We were in the second pot last season. Dortmund were in the fourth.
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:It's all well and good talking about our youth production but very few of them seem to posses genuine top talent level. We talk about some 22 year olds but since we are using Barcelona as reference Xavi was 18 when he broke through, Messi was 18 as well, Iniesta was 19, even Valdes was 20. How many teenagers do we have knocking the door?
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:It's all well and good talking about our youth production but very few of them seem to posses genuine top talent level. We talk about some 22 year olds but since we are using Barcelona as reference Xavi was 18 when he broke through, Messi was 18 as well, Iniesta was 19, even Valdes was 20. How many teenagers do we have knocking the door?
Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:It's all well and good talking about our youth production but very few of them seem to posses genuine top talent level. We talk about some 22 year olds but since we are using Barcelona as reference Xavi was 18 when he broke through, Messi was 18 as well, Iniesta was 19, even Valdes was 20. How many teenagers do we have knocking the door?
Beefymcfc wrote:If they've got what it takes, they will make it. If they haven't then do we bring them through regardless?
Im_Spartacus wrote:Beefymcfc wrote:If they've got what it takes, they will make it. If they haven't then do we bring them through regardless?
Its a tough one isnt it, as there will always be some who are late developers like Xavi for example, and others who you really need to see in action at the top level before you can make a definite informed decision.
I think the rags have it right by having the younger players around the squad, and although they have sub standard players like welbeck, they come on and do a job, and fill in reasonably well without dragging the team down when they start the odd game.
They lead the way in terms of managing a good salary base for their squad by having a mix of youth and experience - we are still some way off that, but when winning 2-0 at home with 75 gone, there is no reason we should need to see Nasri coming on for Silva just to give him game time, that suggests we probably have too many players in his position imo.
Nasri should be the starter in other games to give Silva a rest, and the likes of suarez should be getting the 15 minutes exposure against a tiring team - at that point, if he isnt showing improvement after a year of that exposure, fuck him off. I certainly dont think Mancini had it wrong last year not giving these guys a go when games were tight, but he failed for me by not giving them a game when we were home and dried.
Perhaps we really do have too much quality in certain positions for this to happen. maybe we will see Nasri leave and not be replaced for example now we have fernandinho who can play in a variety roles.
Im_Spartacus wrote:Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:We were in the second pot last season. Dortmund were in the fourth.
From what i remember, we were in the third, Ajax were 2nd seeds last year, placed about 17th/18th on the coefficient list, but have now dropped well out of the top 20 or so clubs on account of their coefficient.
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
We were definitely pot 2 last season, we've dropped to 3 for the coming season. ( Dippers are still pot 1 btw #farce )
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
We were definitely pot 2 last season, we've dropped to 3 for the coming season. ( Dippers are still pot 1 btw #farce )
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