Barcelona and Real Madrid

[Nigels Tackle]

rag_hater's mum

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[Original Dub]

Fuckin hell really , that as well ?

I thought you didn't drink.

He has to drink, how else can he rationalise the tripe he comes out with to himself?

Keep it up raggers. You've got one fan.

I love it.

[Original Dub]

rag_hater's mum

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Ouch

[Rag_hater]

rag_hater's mum

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Your another one Mr.Nigels Nob that needs help.

[carl_feedthegoat]

rag_hater's mum

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Ouch

Piss funny

[Slim]

rag_hater's mum

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Ouch

Not if you're doing it right.

[Ted Hughes]

Not completely on topic but Real have been running absolute rings round Chelsea & yet are only 2-1 up.

Looks like they will be much better going forward but not as good without the ball. Never seen Isco run so much though, tracking back.

Chelsa are going to be like Real were under Mourinho, kicking fucking lumps out of everyone.

[kinkylola]

fantastic ball from isco in to ronaldo for rm's third. real look like they will be entertaining to watch this year.

I do think that mourinho will make chelsea a lot better though

[john@staustell]

When Rosell took over from our mates Soriano and Txiki in the Laporta gang, they left Barca with 450M euros of debt, members or not. I believe this may have been dragged down a bit but these people who say these clubs make huge profits are making it up - they live on the edge waiting for the next bail-out, both Barca and Real.

Valencia too have membership. They have been 400M in debt for ages and every so often get a new sub off the City or a fiver each off all the members to keep going.

Anyone who says this membership thing is a great model is an idiot on this evidence.

And importantly, in UEFA's defence, one of the cronies (cant remember who) said that one of the points they have to address is:

"Why should one owner not be allowed to put his money in, when 100,000 owners are allowed to put theirs in".

Cant argue with that - and another point they had to address was the unfair imbalance in Spanish TV money.

All bad news for 'the arrogant two'.

[Nigels Tackle]

rag_hater's mum

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Your another one Mr.Nigels Nob that needs help.

in what way mr hater?

[Evenmydoghatesunited]

Bayern I can understand having pots to spend but let's face it Barca and Real are in a country that hasn't got a pot to piss in. If they tried to retake Gibraltor by force they'd have to do it by bayonet charge

[Bluez]

Bayern I can understand having pots to spend but let's face it Barca and Real are in a country that hasn't got a pot to piss in. If they tried to retake Gibraltor by force they'd have to do it by bayonet charge

Coming to think of it how will it work with German Teams like Bayern where the sponsors are part owners?

[Evenmydoghatesunited]

Coming to think of it how will it work with German Teams like Bayern where the sponsors are part owners?

There is one simple explanation to this whole thing - corruption.

The European Club Association was founded in 2008 to replace the G18 which had previously been the G14. However the original members of the old boys brigade which was Barcelona (Spain)
Real Madrid (Spain)
Liverpool (England)
Manchester United (England)
Internazionale (Italy)
Juventus (Italy)
Milan (Italy)
Marseille (France)
Paris Saint-Germain (France)
Bayern Munich (Germany)
Borussia Dortmund (Germany)
Ajax (Netherlands)
PSV (Netherlands)
Porto (Portugal)

With the Arse , Valencia, Lyon and Bayer Leverkusen joining by invitation in 2002.

Following Italian match fixing discoveries Milan and several other Italian clubs were banned from the 2006-2007 ECL. This ban was seen as unreasonable by many of the G14 and somehow despite being banned from the competition Milan went on to win it.

The real issue is that clubs like City, Chelsea, PSG etc are backed by owners with more cash than Croesus. Teams like the scum, Real etc are dependent on trading to exist. Shark in the water syndrome. Stop swimming start drowning. That's why in my opinion FFP exists. To protect the sharks.

[Nigels Tackle]

Coming to think of it how will it work with German Teams like Bayern where the sponsors are part owners?

There is one simple explanation to this whole thing - corruption.

The European Club Association was founded in 2008 to replace the G18 which had previously been the G14. However the original members of the old boys brigade which was Barcelona (Spain)
Real Madrid (Spain)
Liverpool (England)
Manchester United (England)
Internazionale (Italy)
Juventus (Italy)
Milan (Italy)
Marseille (France)
Paris Saint-Germain (France)
Bayern Munich (Germany)
Borussia Dortmund (Germany)
Ajax (Netherlands)
PSV (Netherlands)
Porto (Portugal)

With the Arse , Valencia, Lyon and Bayer Leverkusen joining by invitation in 2002.

Following Italian match fixing discoveries Milan and several other Italian clubs were banned from the 2006-2007 ECL. This ban was seen as unreasonable by many of the G14 and somehow despite being banned from the competition Milan went on to win it.

The real issue is that clubs like City, Chelsea, PSG etc are backed by owners with more cash than Croesus. Teams like the scum, Real etc are dependent on trading to exist. Shark in the water syndrome. Stop swimming start drowning. That's why in my opinion FFP exists. To protect the sharks.

fuck me. you're right
i cannot believe no one else has spotted this
good work

[Rag_hater]

rag_hater's mum

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Your another one Mr.Nigels Nob that needs help.

in what way mr hater?

Well it seems pretty clear that you want to fit in with the drunken sheeps gang that have to team up to take me on,so that's why mr.Nob you need help.

[Evenmydoghatesunited]

fuck me. you're right
i cannot believe no one else has spotted this
good work

Some have. Maybe just not some of those with learning skills problems

[Ted Hughes]

When Rosell took over from our mates Soriano and Txiki in the Laporta gang, they left Barca with 450M euros of debt, members or not. I believe this may have been dragged down a bit but these people who say these clubs make huge profits are making it up - they live on the edge waiting for the next bail-out, both Barca and Real.

Valencia too have membership. They have been 400M in debt for ages and every so often get a new sub off the City or a fiver each off all the members to keep going.

Anyone who says this membership thing is a great model is an idiot on this evidence.

And importantly, in UEFA's defence, one of the cronies (cant remember who) said that one of the points they have to address is:

"Why should one owner not be allowed to put his money in, when 100,000 owners are allowed to put theirs in".

Cant argue with that - and another point they had to address was the unfair imbalance in Spanish TV money.

All bad news for 'the arrogant two'.

If a club like City was to be singled out for receiving help, lets say via sponsorship from companies connected with Abu Dhabi, then every other club who receives help or sponsorship via interested parties must also suffer the same level of scrutiny.

That causes problems for most of them imo.

I just don't see how this whole thing can possibly work in its current form. It's fine to talk about it, but to actually start applying sanctions is going to open such a can of worms. Ijust don't believe it will happen with this current criteria. It needs changing.

If however, Platini stopped trying to help Utd, Bayern, Milan etc fix the competitions & actually, honestly, went after ensuing genuine 'fair play' the whole thing would be much easier to implement.

Stopping owners of clubs from borrowing money they can't afford to pay back, & threatening their clubs' existence, would be piss easy. As we have also seen in this thread, the EU are themselves having to look into dodgy practices loading competition in Spain, so UEFA don't even have to take the lead there.

It's the very fact that Platini & Co are actively trying to help the G14 clubs retain power, by capping genuine investment in football, which is the main headache for FFP & could bring the whole thing down.

Make the owners guarantee the debt themselves & put the cash into the club, & the problem is gone. Then they can weed out the dodgy owners & stop people from endangering the clubs' futures. It's that simple.

We all know that isn't what it's designed for though, it's just the way of buttering it up to make the real purpose of blatant corruption less obvious.

[Nigels Tackle]

fuck me. you're right
i cannot believe no one else has spotted this
good work

Some have. Maybe just not some of those with learning skills problems

what are you implying?

[Evenmydoghatesunited]

what are you implying?

Implying involves hinting. I wasn't hinting. I was saying that those who didn't know that FFP was there to protect the usual suspects obviously were a bit "special". Sorry if you thought this meant you NT but you did say you hadn't worked it out. But that's ok. Some of us are better at some things that others.

[Avalon]

When Rosell took over from our mates Soriano and Txiki in the Laporta gang, they left Barca with 450M euros of debt, members or not. I believe this may have been dragged down a bit but these people who say these clubs make huge profits are making it up - they live on the edge waiting for the next bail-out, both Barca and Real.

Valencia too have membership. They have been 400M in debt for ages and every so often get a new sub off the City or a fiver each off all the members to keep going.

Anyone who says this membership thing is a great model is an idiot on this evidence.

And importantly, in UEFA's defence, one of the cronies (cant remember who) said that one of the points they have to address is:

"Why should one owner not be allowed to put his money in, when 100,000 owners are allowed to put theirs in".

Cant argue with that - and another point they had to address was the unfair imbalance in Spanish TV money.

All bad news for 'the arrogant two'.

If a club like City was to be singled out for receiving help, lets say via sponsorship from companies connected with Abu Dhabi, then every other club who receives help or sponsorship via interested parties must also suffer the same level of scrutiny.

That causes problems for most of them imo.

I just don't see how this whole thing can possibly work in its current form. It's fine to talk about it, but to actually start applying sanctions is going to open such a can of worms. Ijust don't believe it will happen with this current criteria. It needs changing.

If however, Platini stopped trying to help Utd, Bayern, Milan etc fix the competitions & actually, honestly, went after ensuing genuine 'fair play' the whole thing would be much easier to implement.

Stopping owners of clubs from borrowing money they can't afford to pay back, & threatening their clubs' existence, would be piss easy. As we have also seen in this thread, the EU are themselves having to look into dodgy practices loading competition in Spain, so UEFA don't even have to take the lead there.

It's the very fact that Platini & Co are actively trying to help the G14 clubs retain power, by capping genuine investment in football, which is the main headache for FFP & could bring the whole thing down.

[highlight]Make the owners guarantee the debt themselves & put the cash into the club, & the problem is gone. Then they can weed out the dodgy owners & stop people from endangering the clubs' futures. It's that simple.[/highlight]
We all know that isn't what it's designed for though, it's just the way of buttering it up to make the real purpose of blatant corruption less obvious.

This.