Rags Gutted Mancini Has Gone.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Held us back? What the fuck? Are we talking about guy who won us FA Cup and League title. Some fucking holding back that is.

This is starting to sound like proper rag talk here. Fucking embarrasing and annoying in equal measure.

[Breks]

Held us back? What the fuck? Are we talking about guy who won us FA Cup and League title. Some fucking holding back that is.

This is starting to sound like proper rag talk here. Fucking embarrasing and annoying in equal measure.

We should have won the league cup also. We should have won the league easier than we did. And 2 seasons in champs league without getting out of the group stage. He held us back. I could of won the league with the squad he had at his disposal.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Held us back? What the fuck? Are we talking about guy who won us FA Cup and League title. Some fucking holding back that is.

This is starting to sound like proper rag talk here. Fucking embarrasing and annoying in equal measure.

We should have won the league cup also. We should have won the league easier than we did. And 2 seasons in champs league without getting out of the group stage. He held us back. I could of won the league with the squad he had at his disposal.

See that's the thing. No you couldn't. That's the Playstation 4 champion in you talking.

Stick to FIFA mate.

[mcfc1632]

Seems a strange topic - as I'm not sure what it gains - probably there are some scum fans in another pub that were relieved that Mancini was moved on?? All just about opinions.

I certainly was not for replacing Mancini - but I am of the era that lived through Swales revolving door and we only ever went backwards as it was all knee-jerk and no strategy.

Mind you that desperation to see a period without managerial change was also why I was against the Hughes sacking - although I now recognise how he was not up to it - not able to get his personal aspirations and thinking up to the level / opportunity he was offered. (BTW like most others against that decision it was 'anti-change' and not 'Hughes' licking')

Back on topic - FFS Mancini will forever be held in the highest regard by me - having been to the majority of games over the last 40 years I remember a number of his most fondly - and not just because they were more recent!!

I think that Soriano explained it well - Mancini was the right person for the project through a certain phase - and now someone else is right for the next phase. Mancini being replaced by Pellers does not need to mean that Mancini was 'bad'. I will back the Sheik's/Khaldoon's judgements - they have appointed an exec team to manage strategically into the future - so managerial changes will not faze me so much as the Swales days.

My confidence was also increased by the choice of new manager - someone that fits into CITY and will put CITY first, rather than that self-obsessed bastard now at cheslski.

[aaron bond]

Held us back? What the fuck? Are we talking about guy who won us FA Cup and League title. Some fucking holding back that is.

This is starting to sound like proper rag talk here. Fucking embarrasing and annoying in equal measure.

We should have won the league cup also. We should have won the league easier than we did. And 2 seasons in champs league without getting out of the group stage. He held us back. I could of won the league with the squad he had at his disposal.

We achieved 89 points in our league winning season. One of the highest totals ever.

As United also achieved 89 points that season, is winning it more easily achieving close to 100? Or perhaps we should have got more than 100?

[Breks]

We achieved 89 points in our league winning season. One of the highest totals ever.

As United also achieved 89 points that season, is winning it more easily achieving close to 100? Or perhaps we should have got more than 100?

I have my opinion and you have yours. I felt with the squad we had he should have done better in Champs league, won another f.a cup, retained our title. He didn't and for me that shows we under achieved. My opinion.

[Breks]

See that's the thing. No you couldn't. That's the Playstation 4 champion in you talking.

Stick to FIFA mate.

I'm an xbox man actually. And how do you know i couldn't? I have coaching experience. So you don't know for a fact i couldn't of done.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

There is no doubt in my mind he held us back. The glorious spell in late 2011 was the exception rather than the norm. It served only to frustrate, as we played mind numbing football, when we had seen a glimpse of what we were capable of.
Some of the performances away from home at the bigger clubs were the most gutless I've ever seen.
One of the things I wanted and hoped for from The Count was entertaining home performances. We have already seen more of that before September is out, than in all of last season.
Incidentally I don't believe entertaining and winning football are mutually exclusive.
I too saw the Lescott interview and wasn't surprised by what he said.
I thought Bob was unlucky in the groups we got in Europe and particularly to go out with ten points first time around. But last season was pathetic. And entirely predictable within twenty minutes of the game starting in Madrid.
And for good measure I thought he was largely to blame for the Tevez debacle.
We've heard other stuff since that make it clear he had to go. He won't be missed in the long run.

[BlueinBosnia]

Held us back? What the fuck? Are we talking about guy who won us FA Cup and League title. Some fucking holding back that is.

From the Lescott comments mentioned above, it would seem we won the League after the players started to ignore him. Also, it has been mentioned more than once that the players may have lost the FA Cup either due to Mancini's demotivation of the squad or as a way to guarantee his departure.
I'm also disappointed with how we lost the League Cup in his first (half) season in charge - a trophy I am still certain Hughes would have won, due to him having more grit and determination than Mancini - and his treatment of the League Cup in subsequent seasons: in spite of the fact he was given the resources to fight on four trophy fronts, he squandered one (LC) and was hopelessly inept in another (Europe). -Edit- Second time round, at least, as well as UEFA Cup performances the second we came up against clubs with European experience.
Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for the trophies we won under him, but in my mind that is more due to the resources he had to hand than his tactical nous or management style.

[aaron bond]

We achieved 89 points in our league winning season. One of the highest totals ever.

As United also achieved 89 points that season, is winning it more easily achieving close to 100? Or perhaps we should have got more than 100?

I have my opinion and you have yours. I felt with the squad we had he should have done better in Champs league, won another f.a cup, retained our title. He didn't and for me that shows we under achieved. My opinion.

With all due respect mate, that's not what I asked.

I also agree that we should have done better in the Champions League, beaten Wigan in the FA Cup, and at least put up a better fight to retain our title.

But you said we should have won the league more easily. We got 89 points. That's an impressive total that very few teams will match. My question was - how much better should we have been? What do you consider to be winning it 'easier' - 95/99/100 points???

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Held us back? What the fuck? Are we talking about guy who won us FA Cup and League title. Some fucking holding back that is.

From the Lescott comments mentioned above, it would seem we won the League after the players started to ignore him. Also, it has been mentioned more than once that the players may have lost the FA Cup either due to Mancini's demotivation of the squad or as a way to guarantee his departure.
I'm also disappointed with how we lost the League Cup in his first (half) season in charge - a trophy I am still certain Hughes would have won, due to him having more grit and determination than Mancini - and his treatment of the League Cup in subsequent seasons: in spite of the fact he was given the resources to fight on four trophy fronts, he squandered one (LC) and was hopelessly inept in another (Europe). -Edit- Second time round, at least, as well as UEFA Cup performances the second we came up against clubs with European experience.
Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for the trophies we won under him, but in my mind that is more due to the resources he had to hand than his tactical nous or management style.

Why are you certain Hughes would've won the League Cup? We played the rags three times under Hughes and lost all three.

[BlueinBosnia]

Held us back? What the fuck? Are we talking about guy who won us FA Cup and League title. Some fucking holding back that is.

From the Lescott comments mentioned above, it would seem we won the League after the players started to ignore him. Also, it has been mentioned more than once that the players may have lost the FA Cup either due to Mancini's demotivation of the squad or as a way to guarantee his departure.
I'm also disappointed with how we lost the League Cup in his first (half) season in charge - a trophy I am still certain Hughes would have won, due to him having more grit and determination than Mancini - and his treatment of the League Cup in subsequent seasons: in spite of the fact he was given the resources to fight on four trophy fronts, he squandered one (LC) and was hopelessly inept in another (Europe). -Edit- Second time round, at least, as well as UEFA Cup performances the second we came up against clubs with European experience.
Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for the trophies we won under him, but in my mind that is more due to the resources he had to hand than his tactical nous or management style.

Why are you certain Hughes would've won the League Cup? We played the rags three times under Hughes and lost all three.

Largely because the tide was turning against Hughes, and he needed to deliver an impacting result. I think that was the only thing within his capabilities that would've saved his skin until after the end of the season, and I think he also knew that. Mancini walked in with a blase attitude, and was more concerned about securing the club's long term future. In hindsight I can understand his approach was possibly better for the club, but at the time, it really, really hurt.

[Breks]

With all due respect mate, that's not what I asked.

I also agree that we should have done better in the Champions League, beaten Wigan in the FA Cup, and at least put up a better fight to retain our title.

But you said we should have won the league more easily. We got 89 points. That's an impressive total that very few teams will match. My question was - how much better should we have been? What do you consider to be winning it 'easier' - 95/99/100 points???

97 points would have been realistic.

[london blue 2]

I dont care how he did it but Mancini's football gave me the best fucking feeling in sport EVER bar none! This will never be repeated and I thank him for it. Legend.

[aaron bond]

With all due respect mate, that's not what I asked.

I also agree that we should have done better in the Champions League, beaten Wigan in the FA Cup, and at least put up a better fight to retain our title.

But you said we should have won the league more easily. We got 89 points. That's an impressive total that very few teams will match. My question was - how much better should we have been? What do you consider to be winning it 'easier' - 95/99/100 points???

97 points would have been realistic.

Good one.

[ross.mcfc]

I was never a big Mancini fan and regarded him as someone who would win us the odd cup but never the big prizes. A Ranieri figure if you like. I was very happy to be proved wrong but was still never really convinced he was the man to take us to where the owners want us. I was furious the night before the cup final when it was obvious he was a goner, less so 24 hours later when it was apparent rightly or wrongly that he had lost the dressing room and the confidence of the owners.

A rag friend of my texted me after the game on Sunday. He wrote "the only way Man CIty wont win the league this year is if they re appoint Mancini and re sign Balottelli and Tevez"

Those two players define Mancini's time at City. He could have been here for 10 years if he had handled those situations better. We would have won the league by 10 points that season instead of one goal. I will always be greatful for time he was here but I maintain we won the league despite him not because of him.

A question for the the pro Mancini camp as I enjoy these retrospective debates. Do you ever see him getting a better/similar stature job than the one he had at City. Do you ever see him winning another top domestic league title or Champions League winner? For me, I see him managing in Russia at one of the petro dollar clubs. His best bet at getting another chance at the top table is to take over at Madrid or Chelsea during one of their annual manager changes as a short term fix but I just do not see him getting another job at the level he had with us.

[Slim]

Does managing Italy count as on par with us?

Because I can see that happening.

[ross.mcfc]

Does managing Italy count as on par with us?

Because I can see that happening.

I was going to put that in there but I reckon that is something he would consider in 5-10 years time.

I reckon he would be a fantastic Italy manager although man management is normally a key aspect of being an international manager and probably his biggest weakness. You cannot be a control freak when you only see a player once every three months.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Does managing Italy count as on par with us?

Because I can see that happening.

So can I.

And Ross, it's not about being pro or anti, all that crap ended last May. It's about recognising and respecting the job he did at City.

This won in spite of him bollox is just crap. He had to breed a winning mentality into this club before he could challenge, that's a very difficult task. Tbh I didn't expect us to win the title the year we did but I did expect a much more robust defence of our title last year.

The impression I'm getting here is that if you spend money you've some sort of divine right to success and if that doesn't happen the manager is shit?

Good luck Manuel.

[ross.mcfc]

Does managing Italy count as on par with us?

Because I can see that happening.

So can I.

And Ross, it's not about being pro or anti, all that crap ended last May. It's about recognising and respecting the job he did at City.

This won in spite of him bollox is just crap. He had to breed a winning mentality into this club before he could challenge, that's a very difficult task. Tbh I didn't expect us to win the title the year we did but I did expect a much more robust defence of our title last year.

The impression I'm getting here is that if you spend money you've some sort of divine right to success and if that doesn't happen the manager is shit?

Good luck Manuel.

There are still people here banging on about being pro/anti Hughes so it really did not end in May.

I stated I was unhappy when he was getting sacked, greatful for his achievements and that he proved me wrong. I am most certainly not anti Mancini and was purely asking people do you think he will get a better job than CIty in the future.