Drop Hart? (NEW POLL AFTER CHELSEA FARCE))

[Hazy2]

Having seen the Villa 3rd a few times now, I am still thinking what is he doing, what was his plan,why the fuck did he not clean out the lot or stay at home. The ball bouncing over his thigh was a Sunday League player stuck in goals moment, I still think he is on the Managers watch and decide on him list. Top rated keeper with to many odd decisions/mistakes in him would be a fair description.

[Ted Hughes]

Was he stood in the right place for that free kick ?

Looked too far over to me.

[dazby]

You've got to be able to see the ball and you've got to have faith in your wall to do its job.

It's just a great free kick.

[carl_feedthegoat]

I dont know how many fucking below average performances this guy has to make before hes dropped.

Completely average since 18 months ago.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Yaya's three free kicks this season.

All bad goalkeeping?

[Hazy2]

Was he stood in the right place for that free kick ?

Looked too far over to me.

No wall no surprises, lets see the taker have nothing to use, Baines will be loving a wall next game.

[MilnersJaw]

Harts a good shot stopper but nothing else. Panti looks better than him tbh.

[Herb]

Harts a good shot stopper but nothing else. Panti looks better than him tbh.

I think that's a bit unfair MJ - Joe was a truly great shot stopper in the season before last and he's had the occasional golden moment since then but I do have to agree that Pants looks a much better keeper as Joe's good points have not been so good over the last two seasons and Costel beats him hands down at the things that Joe's never done well (dealing with crosses / distributing quickly & accurately / controlling his defenders etc.).
I'd give Costel a run of games through to Christmas and see how he gets on because I think Joe's lost us 10 points last season and has already cost us 4 points in the few games played this season.

I think Joe's a great bloke, I like his lovely clean & shiny hair but I'm gutted to keep seeing us have loads of shots on target that are dealt with generally very well by supposedly average opposition keepers while the they have 2 or 3 punts at our net and england englands number one lets them all slide in.

[Ted Hughes]

You've got to be able to see the ball and you've got to have faith in your wall to do its job.

It's just a great free kick.

I've only seen it once & I think it was to fast to save, but it seemed to go past him with room to spare & may have still beaten him at much less pace.

I don't blame him for any of the goals btw.

[tc6828]

I think deep down we all think Joe, on his day, is the dogs nob. However, Pants deserves a chance. Why, because he was convinced to stay during the summer on the premis that the Manager picks players on there performance, not their name. He must be thinking Joe has got to be caught bunging a game before he gets a chance.

Don't get me wrong, Joe is a top keeper who is struggling with form and, I suspect,, confidence. If he were an outside player, he would have been on the bench a couple of times already this season.

IMO

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Harts a good shot stopper but nothing else. Panti looks better than him tbh.

I think that's a bit unfair MJ - Joe was a truly great shot stopper in the season before last and he's had the occasional golden moment since then but I do have to agree that Pants looks a much better keeper as Joe's good points have not been so good over the last two seasons and Costel beats him hands down at the things that Joe's never done well (dealing with crosses / distributing quickly & accurately / controlling his defenders etc.).
I'd give Costel a run of games through to Christmas and see how he gets on because I think Joe's lost us 10 points last season and has already cost us 4 points in the few games played this season.

I think Joe's a great bloke, I like his lovely clean & shiny hair but I'm gutted to keep seeing us have loads of shots on target that are dealt with generally very well by supposedly average opposition keepers while the they have 2 or 3 punts at our net and england englands number one lets them all slide in.

How has he cost us 4 points?

[Herb]

How has he cost us 4 points?

By being a klutz and not stopping the ball from going in his net . . how else?


PS. On second thoughts . . . he's probably cost us 6 points actually.

[MilnersJaw]

It's harsh to say joe cost us the game ( he didn't) but he could have used his brain which he rarely does. Free kick he could have made an effort to get it it, even if he couldn't. The last goal, is he joking? As soon as he ran out I thought ffs way to early. He wanted to be the big hero and come out of his net yet another wrong decision by joe. Although the first goal was offside you would think the worlds number one keeper would have saved that.

In the winning season he nearly cost us the league by giving away a silly pen, luckily he saved the pen.

I think he decision making it all wrong, he needs to be dropped and prove himself. You never know pants might be even better, he's been great games hes actually played.

I hope the count starts following up with his players picked on performance bolloxs. I bet we wil see joe and nasti starting though.

[AG7]

Copying from an ESPN Blog ... sums it up for me really ...


Q: "What is going on with Joe Hart?"

A: "Fame and adoration, that's what! Good-looking young guy with the world at his feet, but the world has fallen at his feet slightly too early and he appears to be having one or two problems dealing with the focus. Once they "arrive" at the top, over-confidence in relatively young goalkeepers can be a problem and that seems to be the major one afflicting Hart. Needs to cut away from his off-field endorsements and focus."

[Michael Brookes]

Copying from an ESPN Blog ... sums it up for me really ... Q: "What is going on with Joe Hart?" A: "Fame and adoration, that's what! Good-looking young guy with the world at his feet, but the world has fallen at his feet slightly too early and he appears to be having one or two problems dealing with the focus. Once they "arrive" at the top, over-confidence in relatively young goalkeepers can be a problem and that seems to be the major one afflicting Hart. Needs to cut away from his off-field endorsements and focus."

So you're blaming head and shoulders?

Actually there may be something to that.... Look at casillas!

[Foreverinbluedreams]

You know what you've got to do Joe, keep a clean sheet every game otherwise some will blame you for us conceding no matter what fuck ups are made in front of you. Best of luck.

[john@staustell]

You know what you've got to do Joe, keep a clean sheet every game otherwise some will blame you for us conceding no matter what fuck ups are made in front of you. Best of luck.

That is one view mate but we have tried that for over a year now - even to the point of the cup final, where Pantilimon was supposed to play but didn't. That goal would've been a gentle catch for him.

Cardiff was poor and that last goal at Villa was Sunday morning stuff. Even if the CBs had not covered themselves in glory Hart missed it by about 10 minutes when he came charging out.

Joe Corrigan got dropped early in his career after making howlers - seemed to work for him.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

You know what you've got to do Joe, keep a clean sheet every game otherwise some will blame you for us conceding no matter what fuck ups are made in front of you. Best of luck.

That is one view mate but we have tried that for over a year now - even to the point of the cup final, where Pantilimon was supposed to play but didn't. That goal would've been a gentle catch for him.

Cardiff was poor and that last goal at Villa was Sunday morning stuff. Even if the CBs had not covered themselves in glory Hart missed it by about 10 minutes when he came charging out.

Joe Corrigan got dropped early in his career after making howlers - seemed to work for him.

What would you have done? Stayed on your line? I can imagine myself in Joe's shoes thinking what the fuck have my centre backs just done, I better try close the player down like I did against Aluko, maybe me charging out will put the player off again.

Cup final, gentle catch? Don't think so, there was pace on that header which to be stopped would need incredible reflexes, from what I've seen of Panty I reckon Joe has better reflexes.

I'm not going to argue about the corner goals at Cardiff but will say he pulled off two cracking saves against Campbell at point blank range and left his line to narrow the angle to stop Campbell after the ball had been lofted over Lescott's head.

I think he's getting unfair criticism and I also believe a lot of that criticism is based on things other than his performances.

[Ted Hughes]

You know what you've got to do Joe, keep a clean sheet every game otherwise some will blame you for us conceding no matter what fuck ups are made in front of you. Best of luck.

That is one view mate but we have tried that for over a year now - even to the point of the cup final, where Pantilimon was supposed to play but didn't. That goal would've been a gentle catch for him.

Cardiff was poor and that last goal at Villa was Sunday morning stuff. Even if the CBs had not covered themselves in glory Hart missed it by about 10 minutes when he came charging out.

Joe Corrigan got dropped early in his career after making howlers - seemed to work for him.

What would you have done? Stayed on your line? I can imagine myself in Joe's shoes thinking what the fuck have my centre backs just done, I better try close the player down like I did against Aluko, maybe me charging out will put the player off again.

Cup final, gentle catch? Don't think so, there was pace on that header which to be stopped would need incredible reflexes, from what I've seen of Panty I reckon Joe has better reflexes.

I'm not going to argue about the corner goals at Cardiff but will say he pulled off two cracking saves against Campbell at point blank range and left his line to narrow the angle to stop Campbell after the ball had been lofted over Lescott's head.

I think he's getting unfair criticism and I also believe a lot of that criticism is based on things other than his performances.

I don't see why he's getting shit for the Villa game. Minor details worthy of discussion maybe, that he could perhaps of done this or that better, but it's certainly not anything worthy of a slagging.

[blues2win]

He should have stayed in his area. By going outside the area he couldn't use his hands or arms which severely limited his chances of stopping a goal. There again Kompany and Nastasic; I'll blame them equally; made the basic mistake of not attacking the ball. Waiting passively for the second ball was a dangerous decision and so it proved. I think Kompany could do with an aerially dominant partner with a bit of pace. They aren't thick on the ground of course.