Drop Hart? (NEW POLL AFTER CHELSEA FARCE))

[Beefymcfc]

Wasn't Pellers premis that he would always attack?

That didn't work out too well last night did it? :-( ...........we hardly got in their half.........come to think of it, we hardly had the fookin ball!! - until the substitutions on the 70th minute

Credit where credit's due.

[dazby]

Some of you may remember a couple of years back I used a video of the Tottenham (0-0) opening game of a season to show a flaw in his technique. When he dives wide left and right he goes with just the lower arm. Yes, he can potentially get more reach but your blocking range is reduced.

The Riberry goal went above his right arm. If his technique included both arms the block would/should have been made.

Pants uses the double arm method.

[Breks]

Some of you may remember a couple of years back I used a video of the Tottenham (0-0) opening game of a season to show a flaw in his technique. When he dives wide left and right he goes with just the lower arm. Yes, he can potentially get more reach but your blocking range is reduced.

The Riberry goal went above his right arm. If his technique included both arms the block would/should have been made.

Pants uses the double arm method.

1st thing i thought when Ribery scored was why the fuck didn't you use 2 hands you shit fucker Joe. He was 1 handed for the Robben goal as well. Drop him and play panti. Joe can then iron out these problems in training and then maybe come back better.

[Socrates]

Just a point that is worth making and seems largely to be overlooked, Pants has only played in relatively low pressure games and mostly against moderate opposition. I'm not sure this is the best time to be finding out whether his technique will stand up to pressure cooker situations.

[Blue In Bolton]

Just a point that is worth making and seems largely to be overlooked, Pants has only played in relatively low pressure games and mostly against moderate opposition. I'm not sure this is the best time to be finding out whether his technique will stand up to pressure cooker situations.

Played OK against Chelsea in the Cup Semi-Final last season....

[tc6828]

So we carry on with a keeper who is totally lacking confidence and form - what bollocks.

Pants will be up for it as soon as he gets his chance as he will see it as an opportunity to keep Hart on the bench for a long time.

I have no reason to doubt pants and recapping my earlier comment on this, why did Pellers convince him to stay if he aint prpared to use him. Or was it phschological i.e. no 2nd keeper and Joe can do what the hell he likes and always gets the nod.

Should replace head and shoulders with wash and go!

[Breks]

Just a point that is worth making and seems largely to be overlooked, Pants has only played in relatively low pressure games and mostly against moderate opposition. I'm not sure this is the best time to be finding out whether his technique will stand up to pressure cooker situations.

And whats the alternative? Leave Joe in to fuck up some more? Its the perfect time because Joe is utter shit right now.

[tc6828]

So we carry on with a keeper who is totally lacking confidence and form - what bollocks.

Pants will be up for it as soon as he gets his chance as he will see it as an opportunity to keep Hart on the bench for a long time.

I have no reason to doubt pants and recapping my earlier comment on this, why did Pellers convince him to stay if he aint prpared to use him. Or was it phschological i.e. no 2nd keeper and Joe can do what the hell he likes and always gets the nod.

Should replace head and shoulders with wash and go!

[Hazy2]

Just a point that is worth making and seems largely to be overlooked, Pants has only played in relatively low pressure games and mostly against moderate opposition. I'm not sure this is the best time to be finding out whether his technique will stand up to pressure cooker situations.

Played OK against Chelsea in the Cup Semi-Final last season....

some merit, more a manager scared of having to gun shy keepers, He backs Hart and makes another it can happen, where does Pelli then go, that is the twist and bust anyway. To many players assured of a game I put Yaya in there, invisible Wed against a very mobile Bayern but Hardly the 1st Choice Mf. The twat that is Martinez, will think he can do Wembley again on us' Joe Punts is long they nick the game. Our team need a rocket as the season has to start looking settled now or this debate will end up as it dis last season every man and his dog calling each other out. We are not winning the Champs league we saw that on Wed. lets get a run going, starting against the scousers.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Just a point that is worth making and seems largely to be overlooked, Pants has only played in relatively low pressure games and mostly against moderate opposition. I'm not sure this is the best time to be finding out whether his technique will stand up to pressure cooker situations.

Played OK against Chelsea in the Cup Semi-Final last season....

He did, made a couple of decent stops but almost gave Chelsea the lead flapping at a set piece, thankfully Vinnie was on the line to spare his blushes.

[MilnersJaw]

The game he had played though he hasn't dropped bollocks and he played well against Munich in that pre season friendly. If I was pants I would see the manager in confidence and just have it out and get started. We could e sitting in a gem and we don't know it.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Some of you may remember a couple of years back I used a video of the Tottenham (0-0) opening game of a season to show a flaw in his technique. When he dives wide left and right he goes with just the lower arm. Yes, he can potentially get more reach but your blocking range is reduced.

The Riberry goal went above his right arm. If his technique included both arms the block would/should have been made.

Pants uses the double arm method.

This was exactly what I thought when I saw the goal in replay. "Why didn't he use two hands?" Of course Dazby already knew!

Would you mind sharing more of your thoughts on Hart Dazby? I'd be very interested to read them. (no sarcasm, no irony, pure interest)

[dazby]

1st thing i thought when Ribery scored was why the fuck didn't you use 2 hands you shit fucker Joe. He was 1 handed for the Robben goal as well. Drop him and play panti. Joe can then iron out these problems in training and then maybe come back better.

The Robben goal was totally un-Robben-like. A player that always goes on his left foot went to the right. A player that always shoots across goals went near post. It was a 5% probable goal.

[dazby]

This was exactly what I thought when I saw the goal in replay. "Why didn't he use two hands?" Of course Dazby already knew!

Would you mind sharing more of your thoughts on Hart Dazby? I'd be very interested to read them. (no sarcasm, no irony, pure interest)

I've related to a lot of the errors he's made over the past 18 months, as I've made them myself. They are all errors of concentration. But I don't play for City. He can be excused the odd blunder, but the catalogue is growing too rapidly.

Joes greatest games have been ones where he's had plenty of work to do. He makes some saves, his bollocks grows, he gets in the zone.

Think back to the stats of his bad games. 4 shots on target, 3 goals. 2 on target, 1 goal. One of the hardest things to do as a keeper is stay mentally alert for the full 90 minutes with only a couple of things to do for a whole game. Nothing, nothing, nothing, really intense moment requiring perfect movement and technique, nothing, nothing, nothing.

How do you stay mentally up? Get involved, boss the defence, push forward, demand back passes, keep moving, stretch. I'd be really interested to know from those at the ground what he does when the ball is past half way. Is he yelling? Is he waving? Is he constantly on the move? Or does he do bare minimum?

All of his howlers suggest to me that he's suffering concentration issues. He has the tools to be world class, and the Joe of two seasons ago was world class. Since we won the league, his concentration has slipped. We don't know why, but it has.

His one arm dives bug the crap out of me. But, it's how he was trained and there's no changing it. It got him this far.

Can he get out of his slump? Of course. How? Who knows? But I hope his coach does. He's got plenty of time to get it back. It is time to drop him and make him fight for his spot again. That's for sure. If we're not going to play the Pants there's no point in keeping him.

[Hutch's Shoulder]

BBC report of manager's presser:

Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini will make a decision tomorrow whether to play Joe Hart in goal against Everton.

"He feels that he didn't do very well, but I think he hasn't any problem. He continues with the trust of all the team so we hope he will recover soon.

"I will decide tomorrow if he starts. I don't tell you now if Joe will play tomorrow. Of course Joe knows he must improve the way he's playing but he has our trust.

"Costel is a good goalkeeper too and is working hard and I'm absolutely sure if it's tomorrow or another game and he has to play he will do it well."

[gmercer1]

BBC report of manager's presser:

Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini will make a decision tomorrow whether to play Joe Hart in goal against Everton.

"He feels that he didn't do very well, but I think he hasn't any problem. He continues with the trust of all the team so we hope he will recover soon.

"I will decide tomorrow if he starts. I don't tell you now if Joe will play tomorrow. Of course Joe knows he must improve the way he's playing but he has our trust.

"Costel is a good goalkeeper too and is working hard and I'm absolutely sure if it's tomorrow or another game and he has to play he will do it well."

Its like listening to the Riddler out of Batman!!!
Just put Panti in and be done with it.

[Hutch's Shoulder]

He's waiting for the outcome of our poll

[Beefymcfc]

BBC report of manager's presser:

Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini will make a decision tomorrow whether to play Joe Hart in goal against Everton.

"He feels that he didn't do very well, but I think he hasn't any problem. He continues with the trust of all the team so we hope he will recover soon.

"I will decide tomorrow if he starts. I don't tell you now if Joe will play tomorrow. Of course Joe knows he must improve the way he's playing but he has our trust.

"Costel is a good goalkeeper too and is working hard and I'm absolutely sure if it's tomorrow or another game and he has to play he will do it well."

Its like listening to the Riddler out of Batman!!!
Just put Panti in and be done with it.

Basically saying that it's Joe's call. Can't see him saying he wants to be dropped.

[AG7]

BBC report of manager's presser: Manchester City manager Manuel Pellegrini will make a decision tomorrow whether to play Joe Hart in goal against Everton. "He feels that he didn't do very well, but I think he hasn't any problem. He continues with the trust of all the team so we hope he will recover soon. "I will decide tomorrow if he starts. I don't tell you now if Joe will play tomorrow. Of course Joe knows he must improve the way he's playing but he has our trust. "Costel is a good goalkeeper too and is working hard and I'm absolutely sure if it's tomorrow or another game and he has to play he will do it well."

I think he's saying Panti's in goal tomorrow!

[Hutch's Shoulder]

He sort of hints that but maybe doesn't want to help Everton's planning by giving too much away