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Postby patrickblue » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:52 pm

Nice article about our very own Andrea in the MEN.

Apparently she's a homo hero. (edit: I should know that seeing I voted for her)

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... mo-6178292

Accolades for Manchester City Ladies' 'Homo Hero' goalie
12 Oct 2013 15:05

Andie Worrall - a 36-year-old lifelong Blue, from Hyde - is the only openly gay elite-level women’s footballer and when she is not playing, she's a housing manager for some of the city's toughest estates
Andrea Worrall Andrea Worrall
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Andie Worrall is used to keeping people out.

A housing manager for some of Manchester’s toughest estates she is currently trying to stop teenagers stealing fencing from residents in Harpurhey for Bonfire Night.

That protective instinct continues at the weekends where she is charged with defying opposition strikers when she takes her place in the goal for her beloved Manchester City’s Ladies’ team.

It may come as a surprise then, that when it comes to her personal life she is happy to let people in.

The 36-year-old lifelong Blue, originally from Hyde, is the only openly gay elite-level women’s footballer.

Out since the age of 19 she has long championed LGBT causes and is a patron of Just a Ball Game, a campaign aimed at challenging homophobia in football.

This week her role in raising awareness was rewarded when she was named Homo Heroes Role Model of the Year.

The obvious question when we speak is why is she the only one? Although aspirations for the women’s game are high with the 2011 birth of the Super League it’s safe to say that players are not subject to the same intrusions their male counterparts endure.

“In the women’s game people like to keep themselves to themselves,” she tells me.

“They are private people. I get people in the game asking me why I’ve come out all the time. I think that over half of the players are gay or bi-sexual but I think there are a lot who have not told their own parents.

“It was easy for me because my parents were so supportive.”




Andie, who has six Wales caps (a long story) and has played 110 times for City Ladies, admits she owes much to mum Doreen, a former care worker and dad Pete, a butcher.

“They have both been fantastic,” she says. “I remember being worried about telling my mum and when I did she said she already knew. It took a bit of time but they are fine with it. I broke down once and asked my mum why I wasn’t normal. She told me not to be daft and that I was. A couple of months ago they were both at Pride with me.”

Andie, who works for Northwards Housing and lives in Chadderton with partner Kara Diggle, 28, believes there is a lack of gay role models in women’s sport.

“When I was growing up there was pretty much only Martina Navratilova and when I won my award we exchanged tweets, which was fantastic.

“I just think if I can help one person it’s been worthwhile. I’ve been lucky in that I’ve done all right. It’s not done me any harm.”

When it comes to the men’s game Andie believes the traditional obstacle – abuse from the terraces – is overplayed.

“I think a player who came out would get grief,” she says.

“But I think fans would say things to get under their skin rather than because they were homophobic – a win at all costs mentality.”

After a career that started for Tameside at the Greater Manchester Youth Games and included spells at Liverpool, Everton and Leeds, Andie cannot wait for City’s entry to an expanded Super League next season.

“The City thing is fantastic because previously all of Manchester’s best players were going out to places like Everton, Leeds, Liverpool – even Lincoln,” she says.

“There’s been a lot of nonsense spoken about how we stole Doncaster’s place (the Yorkshire side were controversially excluded despite an impressive history) and some people are gunning for us on the back of it.

“We just bid for a place like everyone else did.”

One side they will not be up against is United. The Reds cater for girls up to the age of 18 but have no ladies team – a situation they are currently reviewing.

“I think it’s great United don’t have a team because we pick up all their best players when they get to 18 but that’s the City fan in me!” says Andie.

“Being serious, it is a shame because a club with that name and of that stature should really have a women’s team.”

It is not hard to warm to Andie. Open, honest and chatty she is a million miles away from her stereotypically sullen male counterparts. But when we end the conversation and she prepares to return to work that protective instinct kicks in again.

“I manage a group of six and we look after 2,000 homes,” she says. “At the moment a lot of my time is spent trying to help people deal with the bedroom tax. I see a lot poverty and it can be quite sad.”
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:13 pm

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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Dameerto » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:16 pm

Living with a 28 year old? You lucky sod!
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Sister of fu » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:43 pm

Dameerto wrote:Living with a 28 year old? You lucky sod!



Well she ain't been here for 6 months.....:-)
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby ruralblue » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:08 pm

Read it earlier and was chuffes for the lass! Well done Andie.
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby kinkylola » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:35 am

that's good stuff, congrats on the award.
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Socrates » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:26 am

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Re: Good ol sis

Postby ant london » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:34 am

Brilliant mate, really proud of your achievements.....you've done what most on here would kill to do also (and I don't mean "be a lesbian for a day")....
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:23 am

patrickblue wrote:When it comes to the men’s game Andie believes the traditional obstacle – abuse from the terraces – is overplayed. “I think a player who came out would get grief,” she says. “But I think fans would say things to get under their skin rather than because they were homophobic – a win at all costs mentality.”


Well done Sis.......just a question on the above quote, do you think this is going to be a controversial statement given all the recent rhetoric about homophobia in mens football.

I think its quite refreshing take on things, but I get a feeling that The established view of fans as homophobic is almost almost universally accepted and you wont be thanked for this by those banging the drum in mens football.

I could see this being turned against you saying that your view almost means casual racism is ok?
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby DoomMerchant » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:53 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Well done Sis.......just a question on the above quote, do you think this is going to be a controversial statement given all the recent rhetoric about homophobia in mens football.

I think its quite refreshing take on things, but I get a feeling that The established view of fans as homophobic is almost almost universally accepted and you wont be thanked for this by those banging the drum in mens football.

I could see this being turned against you saying that your view almost means casual racism is ok?


She's right tho. Which is why she said it.
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:14 pm

DoomMerchant wrote: She's right tho. Which is why she said it.


Totally agree pal, just dont think the establishment want to see it like that.

They want to demonise everyone who makes a chant poking fun at a player.........same with racism, simple approach was just to say that no racism is appropriate whatever the context, for avoidance of doubt more than anything I think, so that they could enforce punishments.

It will probably end up the same over homophobia, and I can sort of understand why - but the day im not allowed to call a player a fucking fairy is the day I stop going watching football.
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby patrickblue » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:46 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
DoomMerchant wrote: She's right tho. Which is why she said it.


Totally agree pal, just dont think the establishment want to see it like that.

They want to demonise everyone who makes a chant poking fun at a player.........same with racism, simple approach was just to say that no racism is appropriate whatever the context, for avoidance of doubt more than anything I think, so that they could enforce punishments.

It will probably end up the same over homophobia, and I can sort of understand why - but the day im not allowed to call a player a fucking fairy is the day I stop going watching football.


I think it's important that she said it. This is football, and things have different meanings than other areas of life. In what other situation would it be acceptable to call people fat bastards, or even fucking useless. Your example of fucking fairy isn't really linked to homophobia, more to a players commitment, as witnessed by the things Nasri was getting called last season.
Even taking it to the level of football forums, people are regularly called cunt on here, not something you would call people in normal life, but on here it's acceptable (generally speaking)
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Sister of fu » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:50 pm

I honestly don't think all the people that say chant "who's the faggott in the pink" at an away fan with a pink shirt on are homophobic. I think it's a combination of factors alcohol being one that contribute to such chants. I don't condone it and it's wrong but I think only a minority would be homophobic and sincerely mean it.

I reckon people I know on here have joined in with such chants and I can guarentee your not homophobic. It's just crowd mentality and and happens at football matches. Football fans are not known for engaging their brains at times. I stand by what I said and think football fans will do anything within their power to help their team. Seeing as we can't take free kicks or penalties the next best thing is to put players off their game whether that be chanting about extra marital affairs or someone's sexuality. Footballs fans can be extremely cruel but I bet some are loving mums, dads, sons, daughters etc etc away from the terraces.
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby freshie » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:15 am

Nice one Fu. You must be very proud of that :)
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Postby freshie » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:18 am

Sister of fu wrote:I honestly don't think all the people that say chant "who's the faggott in the pink" at an away fan with a pink shirt on are homophobic. I think it's a combination of factors alcohol being one that contribute to such chants. I don't condone it and it's wrong but I think only a minority would be homophobic and sincerely mean it. I reckon people I know on here have joined in with such chants and I can guarentee your not homophobic. It's just crowd mentality and and happens at football matches. Football fans are not known for engaging their brains at times. I stand by what I said and think football fans will do anything within their power to help their team. Seeing as we can't take free kicks or penalties the next best thing is to put players off their game whether that be chanting about extra marital affairs or someone's sexuality. Footballs fans can be extremely cruel but I bet some are loving mums, dads, sons, daughters etc etc away from the terraces.


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Postby Dunnylad » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:31 am

Did anyone else scour the article looking for a Mancityfans.net mention? Poor form that ;)
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Sister of fu » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:55 am

Dunnylad wrote:Did anyone else scour the article looking for a Mancityfans.net mention? Poor form that ;)


Mancityfans was mentioned at the awards dinner which was cool when I got my award.
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby CuteMancs » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:06 am

First of all congratulations again to SOF, this is a brilliant achievement. I also think it’s great that the topic of homophobia is being talked about again. I do have to add my thoughts though, because I just don’t agree with some of the points in this thread.

I don’t see how abuse from the terraces is overplayed? Or even worse, the view that once you walk inside a football stadium you are free from the usual, intelligent norms of society and you are free to openly be as abusive as you like. Apart from the homophobic side of things, we are not all adults in the ground; there are children and young people all around us at a game. When they hear these chants they see it as ‘normal’ and take the names back to school or online. Once that happens things tend to spiral out of control.

To make this point let me introduce a few names to you:

Billy Lucas, age 15, hanged himself from the rafters of his family's barn: Seth Walsh, 13, hanged himself from a tree in his yard: Tyler Clementi, jumped off a bridge: Asher Brown, 13, shot himself in the head. These four boys didn't know each other, but they did have something in common. They'd been bullied at school, and one by one, they all apparently came to the same conclusion: If you're gay or thought to be gay, life just isn't worth living.

As much as I love football and my team, I would have to think very seriously about them if the only way they could perform on the pitch is by having the fans chant homophobic abuse (or any abuse).

There are really two issues here, and it leads to a catch 22 situation. People seem to think that homophobic abuse is trivial and therefor acceptable. This means we will never see a premier league player come out and become a role model, and we can all move on.

The irony of all this is that the players who you like to call fairies probably go home to their wife’s and girlfriends, and ones you put on a pedestal could well go home to their boyfriends. Now all of this is nobody’s business, and shouldn’t be brought into the work place.

Let me make one final point. If we are saying that it’s OK to abuse players in their work place, does this mean that we only have to be civil at home? I’m sorry but it doesn’t work like that, a homophobic and abusive name is just that regardless of whether you use it on a forum, Facebook or at The Etihad.
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Socrates » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:16 am

CuteMancs wrote:First of all congratulations again to SOF, this is a brilliant achievement. I also think it’s great that the topic of homophobia is being talked about again. I do have to add my thoughts though, because I just don’t agree with some of the points in this thread.

I don’t see how abuse from the terraces is overplayed? Or even worse, the view that once you walk inside a football stadium you are free from the usual, intelligent norms of society and you are free to openly be as abusive as you like. Apart from the homophobic side of things, we are not all adults in the ground; there are children and young people all around us at a game. When they hear these chants they see it as ‘normal’ and take the names back to school or online. Once that happens things tend to spiral out of control.

To make this point let me introduce a few names to you:

Billy Lucas, age 15, hanged himself from the rafters of his family's barn: Seth Walsh, 13, hanged himself from a tree in his yard: Tyler Clementi, 1, jumped off bridge: Asher Brown, 13, shot himself in the head. These four boys didn't know each other, but they did have something in common. They'd been bullied at school, and one by one, they all apparently came to the same conclusion: If you're gay or thought to be gay, life just isn't worth living.

As much as I love football and my team, I would have to think very seriously about them if the only way they could perform on the pitch is by having the chant homophobic abuse (or any abuse).

There are really two issues here, and it leads to a catch 22 situation. People seem to think that homophobic abuse is trivial and therefor acceptable. This means for will never see a premier league player come out and become a role model, and we can all move on.

The irony of all this is that the players who you like to call fairies probably go home to their wife’s and girlfriends, and ones you put on a pedestal could well go home to their boyfriends. Now all of this is nobody’s business, and shouldn’t be brought into the work place.

Let me make one final point. If we are saying that it’s OK to abuse players in their work place, does this mean that we only have to be civil at home? I’m sorry but it doesn’t work like that, a homophobic and abusive name is just that regardless of whether you use it on a forum, Facebook or at The Etihad.


Great post. Nothing to add.
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Re: Good ol sis

Postby Breks » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:19 am

Whatever happened to sticks and stones will break my bones but names will will never hurt me. Theres too many mard arses about these days.
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