Dameerto wrote:Living with a 28 year old? You lucky sod!
patrickblue wrote:When it comes to the men’s game Andie believes the traditional obstacle – abuse from the terraces – is overplayed. “I think a player who came out would get grief,” she says. “But I think fans would say things to get under their skin rather than because they were homophobic – a win at all costs mentality.”
Im_Spartacus wrote:
Well done Sis.......just a question on the above quote, do you think this is going to be a controversial statement given all the recent rhetoric about homophobia in mens football.
I think its quite refreshing take on things, but I get a feeling that The established view of fans as homophobic is almost almost universally accepted and you wont be thanked for this by those banging the drum in mens football.
I could see this being turned against you saying that your view almost means casual racism is ok?
DoomMerchant wrote: She's right tho. Which is why she said it.
Im_Spartacus wrote:DoomMerchant wrote: She's right tho. Which is why she said it.
Totally agree pal, just dont think the establishment want to see it like that.
They want to demonise everyone who makes a chant poking fun at a player.........same with racism, simple approach was just to say that no racism is appropriate whatever the context, for avoidance of doubt more than anything I think, so that they could enforce punishments.
It will probably end up the same over homophobia, and I can sort of understand why - but the day im not allowed to call a player a fucking fairy is the day I stop going watching football.
Sister of fu wrote:I honestly don't think all the people that say chant "who's the faggott in the pink" at an away fan with a pink shirt on are homophobic. I think it's a combination of factors alcohol being one that contribute to such chants. I don't condone it and it's wrong but I think only a minority would be homophobic and sincerely mean it. I reckon people I know on here have joined in with such chants and I can guarentee your not homophobic. It's just crowd mentality and and happens at football matches. Football fans are not known for engaging their brains at times. I stand by what I said and think football fans will do anything within their power to help their team. Seeing as we can't take free kicks or penalties the next best thing is to put players off their game whether that be chanting about extra marital affairs or someone's sexuality. Footballs fans can be extremely cruel but I bet some are loving mums, dads, sons, daughters etc etc away from the terraces.
Dunnylad wrote:Did anyone else scour the article looking for a Mancityfans.net mention? Poor form that ;)
CuteMancs wrote:First of all congratulations again to SOF, this is a brilliant achievement. I also think it’s great that the topic of homophobia is being talked about again. I do have to add my thoughts though, because I just don’t agree with some of the points in this thread.
I don’t see how abuse from the terraces is overplayed? Or even worse, the view that once you walk inside a football stadium you are free from the usual, intelligent norms of society and you are free to openly be as abusive as you like. Apart from the homophobic side of things, we are not all adults in the ground; there are children and young people all around us at a game. When they hear these chants they see it as ‘normal’ and take the names back to school or online. Once that happens things tend to spiral out of control.
To make this point let me introduce a few names to you:
Billy Lucas, age 15, hanged himself from the rafters of his family's barn: Seth Walsh, 13, hanged himself from a tree in his yard: Tyler Clementi, 1, jumped off bridge: Asher Brown, 13, shot himself in the head. These four boys didn't know each other, but they did have something in common. They'd been bullied at school, and one by one, they all apparently came to the same conclusion: If you're gay or thought to be gay, life just isn't worth living.
As much as I love football and my team, I would have to think very seriously about them if the only way they could perform on the pitch is by having the chant homophobic abuse (or any abuse).
There are really two issues here, and it leads to a catch 22 situation. People seem to think that homophobic abuse is trivial and therefor acceptable. This means for will never see a premier league player come out and become a role model, and we can all move on.
The irony of all this is that the players who you like to call fairies probably go home to their wife’s and girlfriends, and ones you put on a pedestal could well go home to their boyfriends. Now all of this is nobody’s business, and shouldn’t be brought into the work place.
Let me make one final point. If we are saying that it’s OK to abuse players in their work place, does this mean that we only have to be civil at home? I’m sorry but it doesn’t work like that, a homophobic and abusive name is just that regardless of whether you use it on a forum, Facebook or at The Etihad.
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