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Re: Micah at CB

Postby nottsblue » Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:23 pm

nottsblue wrote:
Ok. Fair comment if Nasty is better in your opinion. Cant argue with that. If however then we sign a top notch centre half who is better than both Vinny & Nasty and he dislodges Vinny is that a bad thing?


zuricity wrote:
Of course not, this is what it's all about, getting the right mix for every game . We are privileged to have a great squad and team after so many years in the Doldrums.


With you there. For too long we've been so far behind its untrue. Problems like these are good problems.

Not with you re Nasty is better than Vinny though, but each to their own opinion
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:35 pm

zuricity wrote:
nottsblue wrote:
Sorry. I must be really thick. I still dont understand why if we've bought the best centre half in the world, Vinny would not get a game but Nastastic would. Are you implying Nasty is better than vinny?


I am not implying anything of the sort . Not at all, i am writing that Nasti is a better defender than Vince . Imho, much better.

Vince is a great Captain and there is our problem.


Well I recon there are two of you who think that way.

You, plus Nastasic's mum.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby mr_nool » Thu Oct 24, 2013 8:41 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Well I recon there are two of you who think that way.

You, plus Nastasic's mum.


Carl is Nastasic's mum? That explains things ...
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:49 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:
Well I recon there are two of you who think that way.

You, plus Nastasic's mum.


I'm shocked there's that many. I've re read that post 3 times and still can't believe it's there.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby MilnersJaw » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:08 pm

Funny how nasti has been dire the season and Carl has not licked his arse or slagged off lescott either.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby branny » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:07 am

Agree about Micah on the condition that he doesntt make Johnny Howson look like Lionel Messi again.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby zuricity » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:00 am

MilnersJaw wrote:Funny how nasti has been dire the season and Carl has not licked his arse or slagged off lescott either.


It's only in your mind that Nasti has been dire. Nobody can realistically slag Joleon off this season , cos he's hardly played. For whatever reasons behind that
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby aaron bond » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:14 am

zuricity wrote:
MilnersJaw wrote:Funny how nasti has been dire the season and Carl has not licked his arse or slagged off lescott either.


It's only in your mind that Nasti has been dire. Nobody can realistically slag Joleon off this season , cos he's hardly played. For whatever reasons behind that


Nastasic has had a poor season. Falling asleep for the CSKA goal, ball watching for West Ham's goal, doing his best to give a penalty away against Everton, getting torn apart for Bayern's 3rd goal, and just an all-round horrible display against Villa. That's just the last 5 games.

If we gave a run of games to Kompany and Lescott, we would be significantly stronger at the back than any other possible partnership we could put out. If Kompany's out, then Richards should partner Lescott.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby zuricity » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:46 am

aaron bond wrote:
Nastasic has had a poor season. Falling asleep for the CSKA goal, ball watching for West Ham's goal, doing his best to give a penalty away against Everton, getting torn apart for Bayern's 3rd goal, and just an all-round horrible display against Villa. That's just the last 5 games.

If we gave a run of games to Kompany and Lescott, we would be significantly stronger at the back than any other possible partnership we could put out. If Kompany's out, then Richards should partner Lescott.


The defense were ball watching against cska and whu. He didn't get torn by Robben, he positioned himself to prevent Robben shooting with his left ( and best foot). Unfortunately Robben didn't fluff his shot this time with his right peg like he normally does.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby gillie » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:57 am

MilnersJaw wrote:Considering what their job is why do they needed a left and right footed cb together, it seems more trouble than it's worth. Our defence worries is pissing me off, assuming Kompany isn't fit our defence is poor. Nasti isn't up to it and lescott plays second fiddle to him, garica is a joke yet get to start there. It is seriously holding us back. Kompany and lescott were great when we won the league yet mancini fucked with that and since then it's been ruined.

Agree mate as it comes back to the old adage "If it's not broke don't try to fix it".
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby Fidel Castro » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:06 am

I remember him playing CB last season vs Spurs at home and thought he was class. Garcia is shit and Nasty has lost the plot atm, Micah and Lescott is the way forward
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby aaron bond » Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:23 am

zuricity wrote:
aaron bond wrote:
Nastasic has had a poor season. Falling asleep for the CSKA goal, ball watching for West Ham's goal, doing his best to give a penalty away against Everton, getting torn apart for Bayern's 3rd goal, and just an all-round horrible display against Villa. That's just the last 5 games.

If we gave a run of games to Kompany and Lescott, we would be significantly stronger at the back than any other possible partnership we could put out. If Kompany's out, then Richards should partner Lescott.


The defense were ball watching against cska and whu. He didn't get torn by Robben, he positioned himself to prevent Robben shooting with his left ( and best foot). Unfortunately Robben didn't fluff his shot this time with his right peg like he normally does.


Yes, the defence was ball watching against CSKA and West Ham. I'm not saying others weren't guilty but you can't overlook Nastasic's errors, which have been frequent all season.

We already know Garcia is shite, and it's been discussed to death. Zab was ball watching too on Wednesday, but generally his level of performance is high so he's not a major concern.

I just don't understand why Nastasic gets a free ride from so many people.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:13 am

aaron bond wrote:
zuricity wrote:
aaron bond wrote:
Nastasic has had a poor season. Falling asleep for the CSKA goal, ball watching for West Ham's goal, doing his best to give a penalty away against Everton, getting torn apart for Bayern's 3rd goal, and just an all-round horrible display against Villa. That's just the last 5 games.

If we gave a run of games to Kompany and Lescott, we would be significantly stronger at the back than any other possible partnership we could put out. If Kompany's out, then Richards should partner Lescott.


The defense were ball watching against cska and whu. He didn't get torn by Robben, he positioned himself to prevent Robben shooting with his left ( and best foot). Unfortunately Robben didn't fluff his shot this time with his right peg like he normally does.


Yes, the defence was ball watching against CSKA and West Ham. I'm not saying others weren't guilty but you can't overlook Nastasic's errors, which have been frequent all season.

We already know Garcia is shite, and it's been discussed to death. Zab was ball watching too on Wednesday, but generally his level of performance is high so he's not a major concern.

I just don't understand why Nastasic gets a free ride from so many people.


Because they spent 2 seasons slaughtering Lescott for every slight miskick & demandng first Savic & now Nastasic play instead & now have to stick with it ?

I'm actually quite pleased with what I see in Nastasic (apart from the goal v CSKA which was mainly his fault due to halfarsedness).

I think his biggest weakness was not getting involved in doing any defending. It's easy to hold your position & look cool, let others get pulled out to impossible situations & make cunts of themselves whilst you just clean up. Some daft twats on here admire that. Samir Nasri could do that job; centre backs are supposed to defend.

Souness mentioned how, when Lescott plays, the ball is like a magnet to him; he always seems to be involved. That's because he puts himself on the line all the time & tries to stop the oppo from scoring. It means that sometimes he is going to look a right tool when he gets it wrong. Nastasic, this season, is often trying to do the same, & therefore having to defend rather than combing his hair watching someone else do it. He is therefore making plenty of mistakes, but he is also learning to defend & getting tougher.

If the mistakes drop down to a reasonable percentage, then he will become as good as Lescott at defending. If not, he will be 2nd fiddle to a new signing then eventually sold.

Whatever, he isn't as good as Lescott now, but Lescott isn't as good as Lescott anymore; he's nervous because two managers have put him on trial every game he plays. He's still currently a better defender than Nasti or Garcia though.

We had the best cb pairing possibly in Europe with Vinny & JL. Put that pair in Bayern's team, with the whole team defending in front of them like they do, & they would be even better, not worse. All the crap about passing from the back etc; Bayern would just do that with those two in the team & not miss a fucking beat; it's all bullshit.

JL has no future at City & he knows it. He is nothing more than a short term option.

We need to buy a centre back.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby avoidconfusion » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:53 am

Cannot do any worse than Javi "shithouse" Garcia.
so now as every enemy circles our city
sour and sore, we swear war
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby aaron bond » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:54 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
aaron bond wrote:
zuricity wrote:
aaron bond wrote:
Nastasic has had a poor season. Falling asleep for the CSKA goal, ball watching for West Ham's goal, doing his best to give a penalty away against Everton, getting torn apart for Bayern's 3rd goal, and just an all-round horrible display against Villa. That's just the last 5 games.

If we gave a run of games to Kompany and Lescott, we would be significantly stronger at the back than any other possible partnership we could put out. If Kompany's out, then Richards should partner Lescott.


The defense were ball watching against cska and whu. He didn't get torn by Robben, he positioned himself to prevent Robben shooting with his left ( and best foot). Unfortunately Robben didn't fluff his shot this time with his right peg like he normally does.


Yes, the defence was ball watching against CSKA and West Ham. I'm not saying others weren't guilty but you can't overlook Nastasic's errors, which have been frequent all season.

We already know Garcia is shite, and it's been discussed to death. Zab was ball watching too on Wednesday, but generally his level of performance is high so he's not a major concern.

I just don't understand why Nastasic gets a free ride from so many people.


Because they spent 2 seasons slaughtering Lescott for every slight miskick & demandng first Savic & now Nastasic play instead & now have to stick with it ?

I'm actually quite pleased with what I see in Nastasic (apart from the goal v CSKA which was mainly his fault due to halfarsedness).

I think his biggest weakness was not getting involved in doing any defending. It's easy to hold your position & look cool, let others get pulled out to impossible situations & make cunts of themselves whilst you just clean up. Some daft twats on here admire that. Samir Nasri could do that job; centre backs are supposed to defend.

Souness mentioned how, when Lescott plays, the ball is like a magnet to him; he always seems to be involved. That's because he puts himself on the line all the time & tries to stop the oppo from scoring. It means that sometimes he is going to look a right tool when he gets it wrong. Nastasic, this season, is often trying to do the same, & therefore having to defend rather than combing his hair watching someone else do it. He is therefore making plenty of mistakes, but he is also learning to defend & getting tougher.

If the mistakes drop down to a reasonable percentage, then he will become as good as Lescott at defending. If not, he will be 2nd fiddle to a new signing then eventually sold.

Whatever, he isn't as good as Lescott now, but Lescott isn't as good as Lescott anymore; he's nervous because two managers have put him on trial every game he plays. He's still currently a better defender than Nasti or Garcia though.

We had the best cb pairing possibly in Europe with Vinny & JL. Put that pair in Bayern's team, with the whole team defending in front of them like they do, & they would be even better, not worse. All the crap about passing from the back etc; Bayern would just do that with those two in the team & not miss a fucking beat; it's all bullshit.

JL has no future at City & he knows it. He is nothing more than a short term option.

We need to buy a centre back.


Good summary.

It's a real shame how we've treated Lescott. If we had replaced him with someone better I could understand, but we've replaced him with worse players.

Given a run of games, I think he could get back his form. He was rusty in the first 25 minutes of the Everton game, that can't be denied, but after that he played very well.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he'll get that chance.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby Ted Hughes » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:00 am

aaron bond wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:
aaron bond wrote:
zuricity wrote:
aaron bond wrote:
Nastasic has had a poor season. Falling asleep for the CSKA goal, ball watching for West Ham's goal, doing his best to give a penalty away against Everton, getting torn apart for Bayern's 3rd goal, and just an all-round horrible display against Villa. That's just the last 5 games.

If we gave a run of games to Kompany and Lescott, we would be significantly stronger at the back than any other possible partnership we could put out. If Kompany's out, then Richards should partner Lescott.


The defense were ball watching against cska and whu. He didn't get torn by Robben, he positioned himself to prevent Robben shooting with his left ( and best foot). Unfortunately Robben didn't fluff his shot this time with his right peg like he normally does.


Yes, the defence was ball watching against CSKA and West Ham. I'm not saying others weren't guilty but you can't overlook Nastasic's errors, which have been frequent all season.

We already know Garcia is shite, and it's been discussed to death. Zab was ball watching too on Wednesday, but generally his level of performance is high so he's not a major concern.

I just don't understand why Nastasic gets a free ride from so many people.


Because they spent 2 seasons slaughtering Lescott for every slight miskick & demandng first Savic & now Nastasic play instead & now have to stick with it ?

I'm actually quite pleased with what I see in Nastasic (apart from the goal v CSKA which was mainly his fault due to halfarsedness).

I think his biggest weakness was not getting involved in doing any defending. It's easy to hold your position & look cool, let others get pulled out to impossible situations & make cunts of themselves whilst you just clean up. Some daft twats on here admire that. Samir Nasri could do that job; centre backs are supposed to defend.

Souness mentioned how, when Lescott plays, the ball is like a magnet to him; he always seems to be involved. That's because he puts himself on the line all the time & tries to stop the oppo from scoring. It means that sometimes he is going to look a right tool when he gets it wrong. Nastasic, this season, is often trying to do the same, & therefore having to defend rather than combing his hair watching someone else do it. He is therefore making plenty of mistakes, but he is also learning to defend & getting tougher.

If the mistakes drop down to a reasonable percentage, then he will become as good as Lescott at defending. If not, he will be 2nd fiddle to a new signing then eventually sold.

Whatever, he isn't as good as Lescott now, but Lescott isn't as good as Lescott anymore; he's nervous because two managers have put him on trial every game he plays. He's still currently a better defender than Nasti or Garcia though.

We had the best cb pairing possibly in Europe with Vinny & JL. Put that pair in Bayern's team, with the whole team defending in front of them like they do, & they would be even better, not worse. All the crap about passing from the back etc; Bayern would just do that with those two in the team & not miss a fucking beat; it's all bullshit.

JL has no future at City & he knows it. He is nothing more than a short term option.

We need to buy a centre back.


Good summary.

It's a real shame how we've treated Lescott. If we had replaced him with someone better I could understand, but we've replaced him with worse players.

Given a run of games, I think he could get back his form. He was rusty in the first 25 minutes of the Everton game, that can't be denied, but after that he played very well.

Unfortunately, it doesn't look like he'll get that chance.


If he plays v Chelsea & makes one mistake of the kind Nastasic has been making every week, a load of people on here will say that it's proof he's not good enough.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby Rag_hater » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:58 am

The game against cardiff when both Javi and Joleen played,Javi played better.
He also did more than Micah has done when he has played.
His lack of pace seems to make people blind to all the other good stuff he does.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:08 pm

If Kompany is got for Chelsea we won't see Micah at CB. Should he play RB? I think so on current form.
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby Wonderwall » Fri Oct 25, 2013 12:10 pm

Rag_hater wrote:The game against cardiff when both Javi and Joleen played,Javi played better.
He also did more than Micah has done when he has played.
His lack of pace seems to make people blind to all the other good stuff he does.


Garcias walking pace is what gave CSKA some hope, they saw it and tried to exploit it, although it was his heading ability that let him down which is his strong point. Not a fan of Garcia whatsoever, in any position
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Re: Micah at CB

Postby Rag_hater » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:17 pm

Wonderwall wrote:
Rag_hater wrote:The game against cardiff when both Javi and Joleen played,Javi played better.
He also did more than Micah has done when he has played.
His lack of pace seems to make people blind to all the other good stuff he does.


Garcias walking pace is what gave CSKA some hope, they saw it and tried to exploit it, although it was his heading ability that let him down which is his strong point. Not a fan of Garcia whatsoever, in any position



http://es.video.search.yahoo.com/video/play?p=cardiff+3+man+city+2+goals&vid=4fb5c4a7ef73791207654899e2eba77c&l=3%3A44&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DV.4662239753013044%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJXhBk5Ugbdw&tit=Cardiff+3-2+Man+City+ALL+GOALS+%28%28+HD+%29%29&c=1&sigr=11a9b2gbo&sigt=117gqcufr&back=http%3A%2F%2Fes.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dcardiff%2B3%2Bman%2Bcity%2B2%2Bgoals%26fr%3Dmcafee&sigb=12hhmu814&ct=p&age=0&&tt=b


To me none of those goals look like Javi fault.The same in the other games he has played for us.
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