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We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby The Original Special One » Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:29 pm

Of course the victory was one to savour, and thoroughly deserved, as we completely disabled Chelsea's much-vaunted midfield 'engine room' to the extent that their frustrations caused them to be drawn into reckless fouls, but already many in 'The Meeja' are questioning, and rightly so, whether this is just another instance of a one-off, 'Cup Final' occasion.

Superficially, its not, as it wasn't the classic 'backs to the wall' defensive effort of yesteryear, as we had so much to offer, offensively, but, more importantly, psychologically, it could be.

Undoubtedly Hughes, and the players, have had an earful of 'bottlers', and 'overpriced', and 'lacking the heart' ringing in their ears for weeks now, and Hughes might even, for the first time in his tenure, begin to hear the dreaded 'vote of confidence', about to be announced publicly.
So its quite possible that, individually, and collectively, they determined to prove the scoffers wrong, by going all out to down the team universally acknowledged as the best in the Premier League,...perhaps even Europe.

But now the real test begins: now we've got to be quick out of the blocks for every game,...to strangle the life out of the Wigans, the Boltons, the Burnleys, the Stokes.
And then kill them off with our glittering array of firepower.

Yesterday proved we have the talent in all areas of the field: Hell, not just Joleon Lescott, but even Micah Richards, for the first time in over a year, showed that he might just deserve a place in a genuine title challenger.
But it will all have been for nought if once again, next week,....we get undone by lack of discipline in the midfield and defnsive areas, due to an over-emphasis on 'The Beautiful Game'

Mark Hughes and his coaching team now have the blueprint: its just a case of studying the tapes, learning the lessons.
And implementing them, consistently
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby The Original Special One » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:27 pm

Just as I expected would happen, unfortunately! (:
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby 9secondlegend » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:32 pm

The Original Special One wrote:Just as I expected would happen, unfortunately! (:

me too
i really did not expect to win this one.
the team were obviously motivated for the arsenal and chelsea games and we know what this team is capable of but playing great in 1 game in 5 or 6 is not good enough.
game in hand , 1 point off 4th blah blah blah semi final blah blah.....people are just happy with mediocracy.
the fact is this squad now are capable of beating the best around and no....im not expecting us to win the league but i do expect us to be winning against some of the shite i have witnessed in last couple of months
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby The Original Special One » Sat Dec 12, 2009 5:55 pm

9secondlegend wrote:
The Original Special One wrote:Just as I expected would happen, unfortunately! (:

me too
i really did not expect to win this one.
the team were obviously motivated for the arsenal and chelsea games and we know what this team is capable of but playing great in 1 game in 5 or 6 is not good enough.
game in hand , 1 point off 4th blah blah blah semi final blah blah.....people are just happy with mediocracy.
the fact is this squad now are capable of beating the best around and no....im not expecting us to win the league but i do expect us to be winning against some of the shite i have witnessed in last couple of months

Its a question of players mindset, and we can't really say Hughes deserves much credit for last week's victory because it has to be seen in context of what went immediatel before and after.
But I still believe it could have been so much different with De Jong instead of Kompany.

And if an injury is slowing Barry down, he needs to have it sorted, because from what I've heard of his performance today, and what I've seen of him in the past two months, he's more often a liability than an asset.
(and thats not what I was expecting when I heard we signed him)
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby 9secondlegend » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:10 pm

maybe if de jong did play it may have been differnet as what we have seen lately he is turning into a superb midfielder but kompany is no mug either and lets be honest ...i have said this lots of times before ...this team , man for man we were far superior again to the oposition.
do you not rate barry? i like him and he gets about his job without standing out and making a big scene of things but you are right , the last few games he has not been up to scratch , but , he seems to be in the game more.maybe its becuase hes in the game more hes making more mistakes? i dunno?
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby The Original Special One » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:31 pm

9secondlegend wrote:maybe if de jong did play it may have been differnet as what we have seen lately he is turning into a superb midfielder but kompany is no mug either and lets be honest ...i have said this lots of times before ...this team , man for man we were far superior again to the oposition.
do you not rate barry? i like him and he gets about his job without standing out and making a big scene of things but you are right , the last few games he has not been up to scratch , but , he seems to be in the game more.maybe its becuase hes in the game more hes making more mistakes? i dunno?

I've always rated Barry, and was delighted when we signed him
And he looked great in the first few games but I believe I think I saw somewhere he's been carrying an injury in which case he should get it sorted and have a fit player in his place.

I was never fully convinced by Kompany last season: De Jong is far more 'the real deal'
But Kompany was probably rusty today
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby 9secondlegend » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:58 pm

The Original Special One wrote:
9secondlegend wrote:maybe if de jong did play it may have been differnet as what we have seen lately he is turning into a superb midfielder but kompany is no mug either and lets be honest ...i have said this lots of times before ...this team , man for man we were far superior again to the oposition.
do you not rate barry? i like him and he gets about his job without standing out and making a big scene of things but you are right , the last few games he has not been up to scratch , but , he seems to be in the game more.maybe its becuase hes in the game more hes making more mistakes? i dunno?

I've always rated Barry, and was delighted when we signed him
And he looked great in the first few games but I believe I think I saw somewhere he's been carrying an injury in which case he should get it sorted and have a fit player in his place.

I was never fully convinced by Kompany last season: De Jong is far more 'the real deal'
But Kompany was probably rusty today

if he is injured then that is plainly down to bad management as we should either have signed a back up in th window or have one on the books which i think we all know that we do.
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby Original Dub » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:35 pm

9secondlegend wrote:
The Original Special One wrote:Just as I expected would happen, unfortunately! (:

me too
i really did not expect to win this one.
the team were obviously motivated for the arsenal and chelsea games and we know what this team is capable of but playing great in 1 game in 5 or 6 is not good enough.
game in hand , 1 point off 4th blah blah blah semi final blah blah.....people are just happy with mediocracy.the fact is this squad now are capable of beating the best around and no....im not expecting us to win the league but i do expect us to be winning against some of the shite i have witnessed in last couple of months


You think being within touching distance of fourth is mediocraty?

How old are you exactly, because you obviously remember us winning loads of trophies and titles if that's mediocraty? This statement typifies the over-expectancy that new money brings.
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:48 pm

The Original Special One wrote:Its a question of players mindset, and we can't really say Hughes deserves much credit for last week's victory because it has to be seen in context of what went immediatel before and after.
But I still believe it could have been so much different with De Jong instead of Kompany.

And if an injury is slowing Barry down, he needs to have it sorted, because from what I've heard of his performance today, and what I've seen of him in the past two months, he's more often a liability than an asset.
(and thats not what I was expecting when I heard we signed him)

Couple of questions mate.

1. Why does Hughes not take any credit for the Chelsea game? Does that then mean that the players take credit for the poor games we have?

2. You mention that it would've been far better if Nigel played. Did you not notice that he wasn't even named in the squad, and that there was a very good reason for that?

On the point of Bazzer, I agree that he shouldn't be playing if he is seriously injured and it requires immediate treatment and rest. However, if it is a niggle, and he is able to play through without further injury, then I have no problems in him playing.
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby The Original Special One » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:52 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:
The Original Special One wrote:Its a question of players mindset, and we can't really say Hughes deserves much credit for last week's victory because it has to be seen in context of what went immediatel before and after.
But I still believe it could have been so much different with De Jong instead of Kompany.

And if an injury is slowing Barry down, he needs to have it sorted, because from what I've heard of his performance today, and what I've seen of him in the past two months, he's more often a liability than an asset.
(and thats not what I was expecting when I heard we signed him)

Couple of questions mate.

1. Why does Hughes not take any credit for the Chelsea game? Does that then mean that the players take credit for the poor games we have?

2. You mention that it would've been far better if Nigel played. Did you not notice that he wasn't even named in the squad, and that there was a very good reason for that?

On the point of Bazzer, I agree that he shouldn't be playing if he is seriously injured and it requires immediate treatment and rest. However, if it is a niggle, and he is able to play through without further injury, then I have no problems in him playing.

1). Because for a 'Cup Final' game, which this performance looks, in hindsight, to have been, no player ever needs 'geeing up'
2). Yes, and, as I suspected, it was confirmed that he had swine flu.
And we missed him.

Can you agree with me, with regards to Bazzer, that he's looked pitifully slow, and off his game, this past two months or so?
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:07 pm

The Original Special One wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:
The Original Special One wrote:Its a question of players mindset, and we can't really say Hughes deserves much credit for last week's victory because it has to be seen in context of what went immediatel before and after.
But I still believe it could have been so much different with De Jong instead of Kompany.

And if an injury is slowing Barry down, he needs to have it sorted, because from what I've heard of his performance today, and what I've seen of him in the past two months, he's more often a liability than an asset.
(and thats not what I was expecting when I heard we signed him)

Couple of questions mate.

1. Why does Hughes not take any credit for the Chelsea game? Does that then mean that the players take credit for the poor games we have?

2. You mention that it would've been far better if Nigel played. Did you not notice that he wasn't even named in the squad, and that there was a very good reason for that?

On the point of Bazzer, I agree that he shouldn't be playing if he is seriously injured and it requires immediate treatment and rest. However, if it is a niggle, and he is able to play through without further injury, then I have no problems in him playing.

1). Because for a 'Cup Final' game, which this performance looks, in hindsight, to have been, no player ever needs 'geeing up'
2). Yes, and, as I suspected, it was confirmed that he had swine flu.
And we missed him.

Can you agree with me, with regards to Bazzer, that he's looked pitifully slow, and off his game, this past two months or so?

With regrad to your answer to question 1, you can only 'gee' people up if they are motivated to do so. I seen some excellent play from many of the players on Saturday, but at the same time, disorganisation in the defence. That is probably down to Nigel not being there as cover and the confidence that brings. So for me, it isn't the 'gee' up, it is the players themselves who are not confident in their own play and with others around them. I'm thinking of starting a new thread in regard to another matter that is more in line with this, so hopefully you'll get more of an insight of my thoughts from there.

As for Bazza, I don't actually think he is slow and have never seen him as an 'At Pace' player. For me, it's always been about his passing, movement and reading of the game. Usually, his best asset is his distribution, bringing people into play and putting the ball into places that allow our flare players do theirs. This for me has been his problem since the Villa game, and although it has been quoted that he has a niggle, I think it is more down to confidence. Only my opinion of course, but how many times have you seen players in your team go down when they ain't playing well, all down to that 'niggle'.
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby 9secondlegend » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:20 pm

Original Dub wrote:
9secondlegend wrote:
The Original Special One wrote:Just as I expected would happen, unfortunately! (:

me too
i really did not expect to win this one.
the team were obviously motivated for the arsenal and chelsea games and we know what this team is capable of but playing great in 1 game in 5 or 6 is not good enough.
game in hand , 1 point off 4th blah blah blah semi final blah blah.....people are just happy with mediocracy.the fact is this squad now are capable of beating the best around and no....im not expecting us to win the league but i do expect us to be winning against some of the shite i have witnessed in last couple of months


You think being within touching distance of fourth is mediocraty?

How old are you exactly, because you obviously remember us winning loads of trophies and titles if that's mediocraty? This statement typifies the over-expectancy that new money brings.

i believe our performances over the last 2 months on the whole have actually been below mediocracy.
i am 36 and i dont believe that i am being over expectant to think we should be beating hull, bolton , wigan , burnley , fulham and birmingham. do you believe spurs , villa , liverpool should be beating those kind of teams?
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby Original Dub » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:32 pm

9secondlegend wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
9secondlegend wrote:
The Original Special One wrote:Just as I expected would happen, unfortunately! (:

me too
i really did not expect to win this one.
the team were obviously motivated for the arsenal and chelsea games and we know what this team is capable of but playing great in 1 game in 5 or 6 is not good enough.
game in hand , 1 point off 4th blah blah blah semi final blah blah.....people are just happy with mediocracy.the fact is this squad now are capable of beating the best around and no....im not expecting us to win the league but i do expect us to be winning against some of the shite i have witnessed in last couple of months


You think being within touching distance of fourth is mediocraty?

How old are you exactly, because you obviously remember us winning loads of trophies and titles if that's mediocraty? This statement typifies the over-expectancy that new money brings.

i believe our performances over the last 2 months on the whole have actually been below mediocracy.
i am 36 and i dont believe that i am being over expectant to think we should be beating hull, bolton , wigan , burnley , fulham and birmingham. do you believe spurs , villa , liverpool should be beating those kind of teams?


It is a league and all that matters is that we stay in the hunt for 4th spot, end of story. It doesn't matter who we drop points against and we pick points off. It is a strange season for every club you have mentioned above and we are no different. Spurs LOST to Wolves, Liverpool drew with Birmingham, United LOST to Burnley, Chelsea LOST to Wigan.... want me to keep going?

Like the others, we are within touching distance of fourth and that is NOT mediocraty by any standards. We may have dropped points against clubs you don't find fashionable but we are where we are because we picked points up against the likes of Liverpool, Villa, Chelsea and Arsenal. I have no reason to think we won't pick up points on Wednesday. Absolutely none.

Also, its worth mentioning that Arsene Wenger believes six teams are still in the title race and we are one of them. Mediocraty does not come into the equation so I have to re-iterate I find your original post completely unwarranted for a city fan that has NEVER tasted success. It stinks of ungratefulness and over=expectancy to be honest.
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby 9secondlegend » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:54 pm

i answered your questions you didnt answer mine.
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby Original Dub » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:07 am

9secondlegend wrote:i answered your questions you didnt answer mine.


Very sorry mate, I'll make it really fucking obvious then will I, instead of showing you that these top teams you mentioned have indeed already lost and/or dropped points against the unfashionable sides?

Ok then - no, I don't think that teams like them OR us should drop points against unfashionable sides. Does doing so make Liverpool et al "mediocre"? No, most certainly not.

And this season so far, being 3 points from a champion's League position with a game in hand is most certainly NOT mediocre.

You obviously believe it is, having continued with this line of shit, so please tell me how, compared to what you have witnessed previously as a City fan, you feel the need to try tell the rest of us that we are mediocre this season?
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby 9secondlegend » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:23 am

Original Dub wrote:
9secondlegend wrote:i answered your questions you didnt answer mine.


Very sorry mate, I'll make it really fucking obvious then will I, instead of showing you that these top teams you mentioned have indeed already lost and/or dropped points against the unfashionable sides?

Ok then - no, I don't think that teams like them OR us should drop points against unfashionable sides. Does doing so make Liverpool et al "mediocre"? No, most certainly not.

And this season so far, being 3 points from a champion's League position with a game in hand is most certainly NOT mediocre.

You obviously believe it is, having continued with this line of shit, so please tell me how, compared to what you have witnessed previously as a City fan, you feel the need to try tell the rest of us that we are mediocre this season?

i think liverpool are having a very mediocre season up to now.
and i have already said why i think we are.
now calm down mr angry.
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby Original Dub » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:36 am

9secondlegend wrote:
Original Dub wrote:
9secondlegend wrote:i answered your questions you didnt answer mine.


Very sorry mate, I'll make it really fucking obvious then will I, instead of showing you that these top teams you mentioned have indeed already lost and/or dropped points against the unfashionable sides?

Ok then - no, I don't think that teams like them OR us should drop points against unfashionable sides. Does doing so make Liverpool et al "mediocre"? No, most certainly not.

And this season so far, being 3 points from a champion's League position with a game in hand is most certainly NOT mediocre.

You obviously believe it is, having continued with this line of shit, so please tell me how, compared to what you have witnessed previously as a City fan, you feel the need to try tell the rest of us that we are mediocre this season?

i think liverpool are having a very mediocre season up to now.
and i have already said why i think we are.
now calm down mr angry.


Not angry, its just a bit frustrating trying to debate with someone like youself.

No worries, lesson learned - you enjoy your mediocre season.... I just wish I'd witnessed what you have previously. Now THAT must have been exciting.
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Re: We Need To 'Kick On' From Yesterday's Victory

Postby 9secondlegend » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:18 pm

its getting more mediocre
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