Some Interesting Stats

[Rag_hater]

How the fuck are we in 8th?!!

because it's the English Premier League

and anyway, 57% of stats are made up

Have you got a stat to prove that?

[Beefymcfc]

just says to me that we're shit at the back when put under any sort of pressure, which sums it up really.

[Ted Hughes]

I think point 4 and 1 explain why Javi plays so much.

So therefore we have more possession & concede fewer shots on goal when he is on the pitch ?

Like in the first half at Sunderland compared to the 2nd half perhaps ? Or the way he dominated possession at Newcastle ?

Navas made TEN more passes than Garcia, & he's a fucking winger. Lescott wiped the floor with him for passes at Newcastle.

The game where he came on for 19 mins and where he had 94% pass rate to JL 92%Yeah you are right in the extra 71 mins he had on he did wipe the floor with him.

I hate to tell you this, but a 2% better pass rate would not qualify as wiping the floor with him.

But I said AT Newcastle, you thick twat; where he played a full game & Lescott got off more successful passes in spite of the fact that Garcia is supposed to be a midfield player, & Lescott is supposed to be shit at passing the ball.

[Original Dub]

just says to me that we're shit at the back when put under any sort of pressure, which sums it up really.

That's all you got from it??

Hmm...

[Rag_hater]

I think point 4 and 1 explain why Javi plays so much.

So therefore we have more possession & concede fewer shots on goal when he is on the pitch ?

Like in the first half at Sunderland compared to the 2nd half perhaps ? Or the way he dominated possession at Newcastle ?

Navas made TEN more passes than Garcia, & he's a fucking winger. Lescott wiped the floor with him for passes at Newcastle.

The game where he came on for 19 mins and where he had 94% pass rate to JL 92%Yeah you are right in the extra 71 mins he had on he did wipe the floor with him.

I hate to tell you this, but a 2% better pass rate would not qualify as wiping the floor with him.

But I said AT Newcastle, you thick twat; where he played a full game & Lescott got off more successful passes in spite of the fact that Garcia is supposed to be a midfield player, & Lescott is supposed to be shit at passing the ball.

It's you who come up with the wiping floor with him comment,have you got any figure for this fact or is it just made up bollox like your normal stuff,cos the only figures I can find for the cups have Javi ahead.

http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Players/Defenders/Joleon-Lescott


http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Players/Midfielders/Javi-Garcia

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

It's really weird how football fans have become obsessed with stats as a measure of performance over the last few years.

You lose stupid games to teams who will be fighting relegation then you deserve a midtable finish.

[zuricity]

It's really weird how football fans have become obsessed with stats as a measure of performance over the last few years.

You lose stupid games to teams who will be fighting relegation then you deserve a midtable finish.

It's good that you recognise football fans and not football players. I'd love to know how many of the smart arses on here that refer to players as 'shite', for example , actually have, can, or still do , play football.

[Original Dub]

It's really weird how football fans have become obsessed with stats as a measure of performance over the last few years.

You lose stupid games to teams who will be fighting relegation then you deserve a midtable finish.

I dunno, I've a feeling quite a few title winning teams lost to teams who were fighting relegation.

Maybe even most?

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

It's really weird how football fans have become obsessed with stats as a measure of performance over the last few years.

You lose stupid games to teams who will be fighting relegation then you deserve a midtable finish.

It's good that you recognise football fans and not football players. I'd love to know how many of the smart arses on here that refer to players as 'shite', for example , actually have, can, or still do , play football.

I'm not really sure what you're saying. Fans should be able to have opinions even if they don't play the game. I just find people basing a whole performance on stats quoted from somewhere totally redundant. Making fifty thousand successful passes means exactly that, it's no measure of any other kind of performance. What's the point in having 98% of the possession away from home if you're not getting results?

It's really weird how football fans have become obsessed with stats as a measure of performance over the last few years.

You lose stupid games to teams who will be fighting relegation then you deserve a midtable finish.

I dunno, I've a feeling quite a few title winning teams lost to teams who were fighting relegation.

Maybe even most?

Maybe one or two have, but losing to 3 of them over the course of 6 away games? How many title winning teams have done that?

[Original Dub]

I'm not really sure what you're saying. Fans should be able to have opinions even if they don't play the game. I just find people basing a whole performance on stats quoted from somewhere totally redundant. Making fifty thousand successful passes means exactly that, it's no measure of any other kind of performance. What's the point in having 98% of the possession away from home if you're not getting results?

Maybe one or two have, but losing to 3 of them over the course of 6 away games? How many title winning teams have done that?

I'm not sure how many have mate. That would take bit of research.

From memory though, didn't we lose away to sunderland and swansea and draw away against west brom in our title winning season?

[Breks]

I'm not sure how many have mate. That would take bit of research.

From memory though, didn't we lose away to sunderland and swansea and draw away against west brom in our title winning season?

yes and threw away a 2 goal lead to draw 2-2 at Fulham. End of the day its 11 men v 11 men and relegation candidates beat title challengers every season.

[Original Dub]

yes and threw away a 2 goal lead to draw 2-2 at Fulham. End of the day its 11 men v 11 men and relegation candidates beat title challengers every season.

That was my thinking alright.

Plus the fact that half the teams in the premier league could be classed as relegation candidates every season shortens the odds of losing to three of them!

[Ted Hughes]

The main thing about stats is knowing how to interpret them & also they are evidence to back up an impression of any given game.

If Pellegrini has no record of a game, he can go into the training session & say 'we dominated possession but didn't score, we have to be more careful here, quicker moving the ball there, forwards need to make runs here & here etc' but someone else can turn round & say, 'I thought we gave the ball away too easily & we need to do this, this & this & the forwards DID run in there but..' etc etc.

Who is right ?

The bloke who can point to the actual stats & show exactly who did what, & when. And City (& all the top clubs) spend millions on it because it works as a tool to analyse performances.


Then the likes of Pellegrini/Mancini stick Javi Garcia back in the team anyway. I have no answer as to why.

[nottsblue]

Only stats that matter are the win, draw or loss stats.

Very true. Another stat is the team that scores the most in a game wins. Not rocket science i know but the point is football at its heart is a simple game sometimes overcomplicated by coaches/managers. If the simple things like passing to a team mate or shooting on target to force the goalie to either make a save or concede a goal or hitting the intended targets from a set piece are done correctly results will take care of themselves. All the stats then become irrelevant

[Rag_hater]

Only stats that matter are the win, draw or loss stats.

Very true. Another stat is the team that scores the most in a game wins. Not rocket science i know but the point is football at its heart is a simple game sometimes overcomplicated by coaches/managers. If the simple things like passing to a team mate or shooting on target to force the goalie to either make a save or concede a goal or hitting the intended targets from a set piece are done correctly results will take care of themselves. All the stats then become irrelevant

If the game is so simple and there no need to know anything why are the dog and duck pub not PL champs.

[Original Dub]

If the game is so simple and there no need to know anything why are the dog and duck pub not PL champs.

Quality, discipline, stamina and management.

[nottsblue]

Very true. Another stat is the team that scores the most in a game wins. Not rocket science i know but the point is football at its heart is a simple game sometimes overcomplicated by coaches/managers. If the simple things like passing to a team mate or shooting on target to force the goalie to either make a save or concede a goal or hitting the intended targets from a set piece are done correctly results will take care of themselves. All the stats then become irrelevant

If the game is so simple and there no need to know anything why are the dog and duck pub not PL champs.

The dog and duck dont have International class players. We do. Lots of them. Players who can pass a ball to another blue shirt. This is evidenced by our high possesion stat. That in itself is meaningless is there is no end product. The stat that shows we have a lot of shots is meaningless if we don't make the goalie work. Better 5 quality strikes on target than 15 wild shots which some don't trouble goalie. Another thread on site outlines our poor show at corners. These players if coached right should clear 1st man at set piece. Its basic stuff. The simple things if done well WILL reap rewards. Any succesful side through history has done this

[Foreverinbluedreams]

To completely dismiss stats in sports is as nonsensical as basing all judgement on stats alone.

[ashton287]

The best one is the fouls. Refs pull us for so much shit to help the oppo out and to slow us down it is a ducking joke.

Against Cardiff we fouled them 11 times to their 2 fouls on us....anyone remember the crowd in that game. Reckon that had something to do I with those 11 fouls?
Everton kicked the fuck out of us at home, they fouled us 10 times to our 15 on them.
Sunderland most recently 15 for us and only 6 for them.

This becomes even more ridiculous when you look at the possession stats (70%,54% and 63%) and realise that we have the ball most of the time, most fouls are committed when you don't have the ball and are trying to win it back. Refs are still fucking us over just in a less noticeable way.

[Beefymcfc]

The best one is the fouls. Refs pull us for so much shit to help the oppo out and to slow us down it is a ducking joke.

Against Cardiff we fouled them 11 times to their 2 fouls on us....anyone remember the crowd in that game. Reckon that had something to do I with those 11 fouls?
Everton kicked the fuck out of us at home, they fouled us 10 times to our 15 on them.
Sunderland most recently 15 for us and only 6 for them.

This becomes even more ridiculous when you look at the possession stats (70%,54% and 63%) and realise that we have the ball most of the time, most fouls are committed when you don't have the ball and are trying to win it back. Refs are still fucking us over just in a less noticeable way.

You make very perniant point there mate and one that I think about every week. The reason I think it goes unnoticed, or ignored, is that the watching public won't mind our oppo having the ball for a while. Fans of our direct rivals will be happy with it and those who love the 'Under Dog' story will be all for them having a chance, whichever way it comes. Why do we know this, because we were that very same Under Dog and I for one always willed them on.

It is absolutely ridiculous that we can have so much possession but still be seen as the team that fouls the most. Stats actually back up what we see, that near enough any challenge we make, regardless of will, will be pulled back and called against us whilst the oppo are allowed to harrass and batter our players without an eyebrow being raised.

I've noticed that after the early season furore with the ref's that the little calls are creeping back in and them being put down to 'Speed of the game' and 'It'll even itself out'. Remember the Chelsea penalty, a couple of Spurs ones?

It's been my beleif for a long time that the ref's have become a control measure for the powers that be and believe Mancini and Paddy had it right in our PL winning season. Certain teams get the calls and when they are under scrutiny the challengers get the bad call, it's as simple as that.