Pellers got the goal difference wrong?

[JamieMCFC]

Pellers wasn't the only one apparently. Muller and Neuer were surprised to hear if we scored one more they would have finished second in the group.

[kinkylola]

Group D

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Clubs                W   D   L   F   A   +/-   Pts
FC Bayern München    5   0   1   17  5    12   15
Manchester City FC   5   0   1   18  10   8    15
FC Viktoria Plzeň    1   0   5   6   17  -11   3
PFC CSKA Moskva      1   0   5   8   17  -9    3
Last updated: 11/12/2013 10:32 CET


Am I reading the official table from Uefa correctly: http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/standings/round=2000479/group=2002727/index.html

Because it looks like we would have had to win 5-2 to achieve equal +/-. This table was updated after we won 3-2.

[aaron bond]

Group D

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Clubs                W   D   L   F   A   +/-   Pts
FC Bayern München    5   0   1   17  5    12   15
Manchester City FC   5   0   1   18  10   8    15
FC Viktoria Plzeň    1   0   5   6   17  -11   3
PFC CSKA Moskva      1   0   5   8   17  -9    3
Last updated: 11/12/2013 10:32 CET


Am I reading the official table from Uefa correctly: http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/standings/round=2000479/group=2002727/index.html

Because it looks like we would have had to win 5-2 to achieve equal +/-. This table was updated after we won 3-2.

5-2 would have left both teams on equal goal difference, but if teams are level on points, then the results of the fixtures between the 2 teams determines who finishes higher.

Bayern beat us 3-1, we beat them 3-2, therefore, they finish top.

If we'd had won 4-2, our result would have been better, and so we would have been top.

[kinkylola]

Group D

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Clubs                W   D   L   F   A   +/-   Pts
FC Bayern München    5   0   1   17  5    12   15
Manchester City FC   5   0   1   18  10   8    15
FC Viktoria Plzeň    1   0   5   6   17  -11   3
PFC CSKA Moskva      1   0   5   8   17  -9    3
Last updated: 11/12/2013 10:32 CET


Am I reading the official table from Uefa correctly: http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/season=2014/standings/round=2000479/group=2002727/index.html

Because it looks like we would have had to win 5-2 to achieve equal +/-. This table was updated after we won 3-2.

5-2 would have left both teams on equal goal difference, but if teams are level on points, then the results of the fixtures between the 2 teams determines who finishes higher.

Bayern beat us 3-1, we beat them 3-2, therefore, they finish top.

If we'd had won 4-2, our result would have been better, and so we would have been top.

got it, thank you!

[Avalon]

There were quite a few people who were confused about it, JamieMCFC mentioned as well that there were players in the Bayern camp whom thought we needed 5 goals.
I was unaware of this rule myself, always thought GD mattered at the end of the day.

[JamieMCFC]

There were quite a few people who were confused about it, JamieMCFC mentioned as well that there were players in the Bayern camp whom thought we needed 5 goals. I was unaware of this rule myself, always thought GD mattered at the end of the day.

I'm not actually sure if it's true or not about the Bayern not knowing about it. I actually heard it from a rag at work.

[Slim]

Who is to say we'd have got the 4th anyway?

Was this some divine intervention that Pellers would unleash if he had known? It wasn't like all 11 players decided to camp our own 18 yard box and hold on for the victory because we'd never score two, we even had a chance at the death to score the 4th, so not like it wasn't being sought after whether they knew it would be enough or not.

[ross.mcfc]

Who is to say we'd have got the 4th anyway?

Was this some divine intervention that Pellers would unleash if he had known? It wasn't like all 11 players decided to camp our own 18 yard box and hold on for the victory because we'd never score two, we even had a chance at the death to score the 4th, so not like it wasn't being sought after whether they knew it would be enough or not.

That is the reason I could not care less about it.

Two strikers up front and us pushing like mad for a goal would have left us vungerable at the back. They were the stronger side with 10 mins to go.

A 3-3 draw would have still been a good result but nothing like the confidence boost we got from the win.

[City64]

David Silva was making his return and was only going to play 70 minutes . He was the best player on the pitch , world class ! Our manager quite rightly protected him and took him off , Silva was our main source of creativity and threat to Bayern so Pellegrini quite rightly shored up the midfield and protected what we had once he had to go off ....... tactics paid off handsomely . Well done Pellegrini well done the mighty blues and Pellegrini has gone to great lengths before and after the Bayern game that he / we arent afraid of who we get in the last 16. So once again FUCK Sky Sports and their agenda ......... AWESOME NIGHT FOR MCFC........BRING ON WHOEVER !

[carl_feedthegoat]

Who is to say we'd have got the 4th anyway?

Was this some divine intervention that Pellers would unleash if he had known? It wasn't like all 11 players decided to camp our own 18 yard box and hold on for the victory because we'd never score two, we even had a chance at the death to score the 4th, so not like it wasn't being sought after whether they knew it would be enough or not.

This has been mentioned at least 5 fucking times to the deaf and dumb, yet still they harp on about it.

Pellers was spot on.

[JamieMCFC]

Who is to say we'd have got the 4th anyway?

Was this some divine intervention that Pellers would unleash if he had known? It wasn't like all 11 players decided to camp our own 18 yard box and hold on for the victory because we'd never score two, we even had a chance at the death to score the 4th, so not like it wasn't being sought after whether they knew it would be enough or not.

This has been mentioned at least 5 fucking times to the deaf and dumb, yet still they harp on about it.

Pellers was spot on.

Add to that if Pellers would have gone for the fourth like they are crying about and we conceded. This thread would be them bitching about that and not securing the 3-2 win.

[City64]

David Silva was making his return and was only going to play 70 minutes . He was the best player on the pitch , world class ! Our manager quite rightly protected him and took him off , Silva was our main source of creativity and threat to Bayern so Pellegrini quite rightly shored up the midfield and protected what we had once he had to go off ....... tactics paid off handsomely . Well done Pellegrini well done the mighty blues and Pellegrini has gone to great lengths before and after the Bayern game that he / we arent afraid of who we get in the last 16. So once again FUCK Sky Sports and their agenda ......... AWESOME NIGHT FOR MCFC........BRING ON WHOEVER !

Edited cos cant fucking spell.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

dunno if anyone has mentioned this, and of course it's purely hypothetical, but relevant all the same.... But imagine if negredo had scored that chance. the count would have then brought on sergio? presumably taking off a more defensive minded fellow? had bayern then made it 4-3, we'd a looked a bit daft then?

should probably check the rules next time.

[aaron bond]

Who is to say we'd have got the 4th anyway?

Was this some divine intervention that Pellers would unleash if he had known? It wasn't like all 11 players decided to camp our own 18 yard box and hold on for the victory because we'd never score two, we even had a chance at the death to score the 4th, so not like it wasn't being sought after whether they knew it would be enough or not.

This has been mentioned at least 5 fucking times to the deaf and dumb, yet still they harp on about it.

Pellers was spot on.

Add to that if Pellers would have gone for the fourth like they are crying about and we conceded. This thread would be them bitching about that and not securing the 3-2 win.

I'm still delighted with the result, and the cock-up of the club not knowing what result would see us top the group doesn't detract from that.

However, it is still a fuck-up on our part. The club should have known this. Whether it would have changed Pellegrini's substituions or not we'll never know. All I ask is that they make sure something as stupid as this doesn't happen again!

[JamieMCFC]

I'm still delighted with the result, and the cock-up of the club not knowing what result would see us top the group doesn't detract from that. However, it is still a fuck-up on our part. The club should have known this. Whether it would have changed Pellegrini's substituions or not we'll never know. All I ask is that they make sure something as stupid as this doesn't happen again!

We also never know if the Bayern players were aware would they have played differently.

[aaron bond]

I'm still delighted with the result, and the cock-up of the club not knowing what result would see us top the group doesn't detract from that. However, it is still a fuck-up on our part. The club should have known this. Whether it would have changed Pellegrini's substituions or not we'll never know. All I ask is that they make sure something as stupid as this doesn't happen again!

We also never know if the Bayern players were aware would they have played differently.

Agreed.

My point is more that we should be better organised as club moving forward and should know before a match what is required to qualify top of the group if a situation like this arises again.

That aside - I still thoroughly enjoyed the match and we really put a marker down in Europe. We're into the knockout stages of the Champions League, something we've dreamed about for a long time. After our performance on Tuesday, we shouldn't fear anyone.

[phips]

Zaba said in his post-match interview that coming into the match "we knew we had to win by 3 goals to top the group"

[City64]

Anyone also given thought to the fact that Pellegrini stated BEFORE and AFTER the Bayern game he wasnt bothered who we got in the knockout stages and that he quite fances taking on Barca or Madrid with the squad he now has at City ? ....... afterall he knows both Barca and Madrid inside out having managed in La Liga and also managing Madrid . I think it is quite obvious he does fancy drawing one of those two clubs ........ dont think either of them fancy drawing us though !

Bring it fucking on !

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I wish people were allowed to make a valid point without being told to 'shut up, stop complaining and be grateful'.
Not one person has said it wasn't a fantastic result, not one. No one is saying it wasn't a great performance but the fans are allowed to be slightly bemused about the fact it appears our own players/management did not know what score was required to top the group.

It was amateurish on our behalf. I mean James Milner said he didn't know if we needed to win 4-2 or 5-2 to top the group. How can our own players not know!? I've played in various sunday league and 5 a side tournaments and I've never gone into a game not knowing what scores we needed to do what and I'm not payed thousands a week!

Yes the result and performance was wonderful, but it doesn't mean we can't raise issues of our players/management not knowing what score we needed. It's true that even if they did know there was no guarantee we'd have scored again, but that's irrelevant to the fact they should have known in the first place.

That's all people are saying.

[london blue 2]

I wish people were allowed to make a valid point without being told to 'shut up, stop complaining and be grateful'.
Not one person has said it wasn't a fantastic result, not one. No one is saying it wasn't a great performance but the fans are allowed to be slightly bemused about the fact it appears our own players/management did not know what score was required to top the group.

It was amateurish on our behalf. I mean James Milner said he didn't know if we needed to win 4-2 or 5-2 to top the group. How can our own players not know!? I've played in various sunday league and 5 a side tournaments and I've never gone into a game not knowing what scores we needed to do what and I'm not payed thousands a week!

Yes the result and performance was wonderful, but it doesn't mean we can't raise issues of our players/management not knowing what score we needed. It's true that even if they did know there was no guarantee we'd have scored again, but that's irrelevant to the fact they should have known in the first place.

That's all people are saying.

Shut up, stop complaining.

I agree btw. I would like to add that no one said we WOULD get the forth, just that it's crazy that we didn't know that's all that was required to progress as group winners.