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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:22 am

Cocacolajojo wrote:I never saw this during the game but when I watched the highlights I realized he nutmegged O'shea with a back heel to set up Navas for a shot.

He is something special. I'm not saying that he's definitely going to be a star in the highest bracket but he does bring something special and something that I don't think many other players have. That has to be worth something.

He brings a directness which is refreshing to see. He doesn't want to keep the ball for 15 minutes, he want's to get the ball take men on and shoot. That's a great asset to have in games like yesterday where you can't pass through a team.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Original Dub » Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:55 am

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Cocacolajojo wrote:I never saw this during the game but when I watched the highlights I realized he nutmegged O'shea with a back heel to set up Navas for a shot.

He is something special. I'm not saying that he's definitely going to be a star in the highest bracket but he does bring something special and something that I don't think many other players have. That has to be worth something.

He brings a directness which is refreshing to see. He doesn't want to keep the ball for 15 minutes, he want's to get the ball take men on and shoot. That's a great asset to have in games like yesterday where you can't pass through a team.


Exactly.

Players like him will lose the ball more than others because they directly take players on. But that is something special to have in the squad.

That back heeled nutmeg you mentioned to set navas up was amazing.

As was that goal.

It's only his fitness that worries me. Absolutely nothing else about him does.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:58 am

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Cocacolajojo wrote:I never saw this during the game but when I watched the highlights I realized he nutmegged O'shea with a back heel to set up Navas for a shot.

He is something special. I'm not saying that he's definitely going to be a star in the highest bracket but he does bring something special and something that I don't think many other players have. That has to be worth something.

He brings a directness which is refreshing to see. He doesn't want to keep the ball for 15 minutes, he want's to get the ball take men on and shoot. That's a great asset to have in games like yesterday where you can't pass through a team.

Agreed. His directness and little bits of trickery (and willingness to shoot) make him unique amongst our forward players and are the reasons why he's a real asset to the squad (injuries permitting, of course).
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:16 pm

That goal yesterday really was a thing of beauty. He played a nice ball out to Clichy but rather than stand there and admire it he sprinted into the box, got himself in a great position and then to finish with such deftness when running at pace was exquisite. Tranaldo esque (sorry).
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Nick » Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:53 pm

I think hes quality. Was miffed he went off and it was a big risk as Sunderland equalised.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Beefymcfc » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:07 pm

The only problem for me is that he's a sicknote. He reminds me of the little kid who always has the runny nose, whining that it's too cold.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby blues2win » Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:17 pm

Presumably he went off because he wasnt fit enough to play 90 minutes. If he maintains fitness for the rest of the season he'll be a huge plus to the squad. That's obviously a fucking big if. If he doesn't we won't have any difficulty selling him in the close season and we should.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby City64 » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:05 pm

He will be injured again next week , don't know what all the fuss about myself !
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby twosips » Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:26 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:The only problem for me is that he's a sicknote. He reminds me of the little kid who always has the runny nose, whining that it's too cold.


Aye. Agree.

Reminds me of me tbh - I never moaned but fucking hell I was a sickly child. Always had a snotty nose. Glorious times...

For what it's worth I played in a similar way and my name is Steven. Coincidence? Yes. I was bang average.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Sue Perb » Sat Jan 03, 2015 4:01 am

Nick wrote:I think he's quality. Was miffed he went off and it was a big risk as Sunderland equalised.


I too, am a great admirer of this boy; he certainly likes to 'attack' the goal, but not in the way Sergio, Edin or even Alvaro did! I've always believed that if he could remain injury free and build up match fitness his underlying, natural ability, would shine through?

Notwithstanding this, I am beginning to wonder whether he is actually another version of Samir i.e. an offensive midfielder? The last couple of games, in particular, (and without an orthodox striker to play with) he seems to start off/want the ball from similar positions to Samir. Whereas I thought he'd play in a more advanced role, in front of Samir and David i.e. where James Milner has been playing?

He drives from outside the box (usually the corner) and looks to play one-twos with either Samir or David.

Should we be seeing/playing him as a midfielder? I have a vague recollection that on his arrival at the club, there was comment/suggestion that he played midfield at his previous clubs? Can anyone confirm this suggestion?

Interestingly, MP has confirmed today that we wont be partaking in the forthcoming transfer window, due to the restrictions imposed by UEFA apropos FFP regulations! So that's kiboshes any chances we might have been considering vis-à-vis strengthening our attacking line up, mid season! Thus talk of Bony et al was premature, unless we're already planning for the 15/16 season?
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:24 pm

I think Jovetic's relative unpredictability could be his biggest asset for us if he can actually get a run of games together. When a team is playing ten behind the ball and forcing us to pass across the edge of the box over and over again, someone willing to take a risk and do something unusual might just open them up and give us another way through (to complement Yaya's net-busters).
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:20 pm

One problem is that the game he is often trying to play, is not the same as the other forwards, & he needs them on the same plan, if his game is going to work.

He asks for the ball to feet when surrounded by players & rarely gets it, so when he does, it often ends in fuckup as he does something hurried & nobody knows what he was planning. But when people start to work with him, stuff starts to happen.

Yaya's goal, was almost as much down to Jovetic as to Yaya. Jovetic engineered the shot. His pass was fantastic & yet it came from a position on the pitch where Jovetic was totally blocked off & it seemed a bit daft to pass to him, but they did pass to him, & he produced that touch for Yaya's shot.

He is a special player, but he needs to be fit & he needs the team to use him properly & accept that sometimes he will try something, fuck it up & lose the ball. He won't lose it that many times over 90 mins though.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby twosips » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:15 am

Beefymcfc wrote:The only problem for me is that he's a sicknote. He reminds me of the little kid who always has the runny nose, whining that it's too cold.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... paign=1490

He certainly comes across as that kid too in this interview ha.

Bit of a moany sod. I'll forgive him though.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Slim » Sun Jan 04, 2015 11:35 am

twosips wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:The only problem for me is that he's a sicknote. He reminds me of the little kid who always has the runny nose, whining that it's too cold.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... paign=1490

He certainly comes across as that kid too in this interview ha.

Bit of a moany sod. I'll forgive him though.


'I know people are saying that I am always injured, but when other players get injured the same as me, they don't get the reputation,' Jovetic told the Sunday Mirror.
'It has been hard for me in the last 18 months because I have had problems with injuries and my fitness. I would say that I have just been unlucky.


He's been here for 18 months, admits himself he's had problems with injuries over the past 18 months, wonders why he has a reputation for being a sicknote while others don't.

Well you simpleton, we have something other than 'being a sicknote' to judge them on and even then, we all freely admit Kompany and Aguero are made of glass.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Blue Since 76 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:07 pm

When he started on Thursday, my daughter and I were guessing at what minute he'd get injured and who'd last longer, him or Rodwell. That's the problem, you have little confidence he could play a full game or two consecutive ones. At the start of the season and preseason he looked fit and stronger than last season and then he gets injured again.

I'm not sure how much is real injuries and how much is him not feeling 100% and not being ready to play. Unless things change over the next few months, I don't see him being here next season, especially if we're going to persist with 3 strikers and one of them being Aguero.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:24 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:When he started on Thursday, my daughter and I were guessing at what minute he'd get injured and who'd last longer, him or Rodwell. That's the problem, you have little confidence he could play a full game or two consecutive ones. At the start of the season and preseason he looked fit and stronger than last season and then he gets injured again.

I'm not sure how much is real injuries and how much is him not feeling 100% and not being ready to play. Unless things change over the next few months, I don't see him being here next season, especially if we're going to persist with 3 strikers and one of them being Aguero.


For me Jovetic is a quality player and I really hope he stays as one of 3 strikers.I would definitely have him before Edin.That doesn't mean I don't want Edin around as he has been good for City and especially in the run in last season where he showed his great value.

Injuries have been a problem of course for Jovetic but they are too for Aguero and we wouldn't want to get rid of him would we? I still don't think he is 100% settled in the team when he plays.You can see the team's approach with intricate passing and movement and great patience but I always get the feeling with Jovetic that he is in a hurry to make things happen.The fact that he has real quality though should not be ignored and he will score goals for us throughout the season and in big games.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:39 pm

I think we will have four strikers again next season and Jovetic will be one of them.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Nick » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:46 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:One problem is that the game he is often trying to play, is not the same as the other forwards, & he needs them on the same plan, if his game is going to work.

He asks for the ball to feet when surrounded by players & rarely gets it, so when he does, it often ends in fuckup as he does something hurried & nobody knows what he was planning. But when people start to work with him, stuff starts to happen.

Yaya's goal, was almost as much down to Jovetic as to Yaya. Jovetic engineered the shot. His pass was fantastic & yet it came from a position on the pitch where Jovetic was totally blocked off & it seemed a bit daft to pass to him, but they did pass to him, & he produced that touch for Yaya's shot.

He is a special player, but he needs to be fit & he needs the team to use him properly & accept that sometimes he will try something, fuck it up & lose the ball. He won't lose it that many times over 90 mins though.


This is so clear - as I said in another thread - the other boys don't seem to be on the same brainwave as him. He likes to get the ball and beat players; again as mentioned above something thats refreshing. The rest often like to pass, pass and pass.

As also mentioned above he is more of a 'second striker' - I think he played centre forward in Italy purely because he was their best player?
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:57 pm

As a kid, he played almost a free role, more like a midfield player at times & I think that role suits him. We have so many big players though, & that job is a 'star' player's job.

I think he is usually head & shoulders better than any of his team mates, so be it striker, out wide, or false 9/attacking mid, he is used to being given the ball a lot.

In City's team, he is well down the list.
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Re: Should Jovetic Start Today?

Postby Nick » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:52 pm

he needs help. Who has he got to play with today? Lampard? Its not coming off and I think we need to see silva.
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