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Re: Klopp

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:35 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:Only last weekend it was all Benitez to City in the Irish Rag Tops. Now it's Klopp. Somebody else by this weekend no doubt.

i'm expecting Alan Ball to be disinterred by Friday.
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Re: Klopp

Postby PeterParker » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:38 pm

If you had to choose between Simeone, Kloop and Ancelotti. Who would be your choice and why?
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Re: Klopp

Postby Mase » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:43 pm

PeterParker wrote:If you had to choose between Simeone, Kloop and Ancelotti. Who would be your choice and why?


Simeone all day long. Saying that, my favourite ever City player is Tiatto. That tells you a lot.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Blue Since 76 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:06 pm

PeterParker wrote:If you had to choose between Simeone, Kloop and Ancelotti. Who would be your choice and why?


Klopp. He's cool looking whereas Ancelotti is too fat for me and I just don't think Simeone would be gentle with me for my first time. Although I'd rather just stick with the wife.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Blue Since 76 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:09 pm

Lots of the papers seem to be going with articles saying we're not interested in him. Or Ancelotti. Or Benitez. Or Simeone.

Get the feeling the Spaniards are love sick for Pep, which could be a problem if the current performance under Pellegrini continues or if Pep doesn't want to come. Eggs basket.
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Re: Klopp

Postby PrezIke » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:55 pm

Everyone's favourite, Jamie Jackson, saying we are not interested.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Slim » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:04 am

Mase wrote:
PeterParker wrote:If you had to choose between Simeone, Kloop and Ancelotti. Who would be your choice and why?


Simeone all day long. Saying that, my favourite ever City player is Tiatto. That tells you a lot.


You've just got a thing for leftbacks, no doubt you have a Stephen Jordan poster up in your bedroom.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Dameerto » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:43 am

It could be an interesting summer after a season full of shite. Maybe if Klopp does that manic gurn at the players in the same way as he was caught on camera doing at an official he could get our slack fuckers to perform like they're paid to do.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Mase » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:24 am

Slim wrote:
Mase wrote:
PeterParker wrote:If you had to choose between Simeone, Kloop and Ancelotti. Who would be your choice and why?


Simeone all day long. Saying that, my favourite ever City player is Tiatto. That tells you a lot.


You've just got a thing for leftbacks, no doubt you have a Stephen Jordan poster up in your bedroom.


No. Danny Granville.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:33 am

Could Klopp do it again though or was it a perfect storm? An ardent Dortmund fan that I know thinks that Klopp has been found out and while he deserves credit for bringing so many young players through, it does seem like Dortmund had a good generation coming through and Klopp came in at the right time to manage the transition from youth teams to senior squad.

With that said, I value Klopp much higher than Guardiola. Klopp did not have a Messi or Iniesta hitting their peaks, nor did he have one of the world's three biggest football budgets to stand on.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:38 am

Cocacolajojo wrote:Could Klopp do it again though or was it a perfect storm? An ardent Dortmund fan that I know thinks that Klopp has been found out and while he deserves credit for bringing so many young players through, it does seem like Dortmund had a good generation coming through and Klopp came in at the right time to manage the transition from youth teams to senior squad.

With that said, I value Klopp much higher than Guardiola. Klopp did not have a Messi or Iniesta hitting their peaks, nor did he have one of the world's three biggest football budgets to stand on.


It's an interesting debate isn't it? Much the same as the Guardiola thread, where things just fall into place, right person at the right time.

David O'Leary had a similar situation at Leeds, an incredibly talented group of lads either coming through the system or bought in to develop, yet it was Howard Wilkinson who did all the hard yards to get them to that point and of course he's now faded into obscurity.

I like Klopp, but I do wonder about whether he actually is all that good, or whether it just all came together at the right time. If city are interested, I'd prefer they let him go elsewhere first to see what he is like under different conditions and consider him as a possible candidate in the future. I'm not sure sacking Pellers for him would give us any guarantee of moving forwards next season
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Re: Klopp

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:20 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:Could Klopp do it again though or was it a perfect storm? An ardent Dortmund fan that I know thinks that Klopp has been found out and while he deserves credit for bringing so many young players through, it does seem like Dortmund had a good generation coming through and Klopp came in at the right time to manage the transition from youth teams to senior squad.

With that said, I value Klopp much higher than Guardiola. Klopp did not have a Messi or Iniesta hitting their peaks, nor did he have one of the world's three biggest football budgets to stand on.


It's an interesting debate isn't it? Much the same as the Guardiola thread, where things just fall into place, right person at the right time.

David O'Leary had a similar situation at Leeds, an incredibly talented group of lads either coming through the system or bought in to develop, yet it was Howard Wilkinson who did all the hard yards to get them to that point and of course he's now faded into obscurity.

I like Klopp, but I do wonder about whether he actually is all that good, or whether it just all came together at the right time. If city are interested, I'd prefer they let him go elsewhere first to see what he is like under different conditions and consider him as a possible candidate in the future. I'm not sure sacking Pellers for him would give us any guarantee of moving forwards next season


I don't think anybody gives us that guarantee. People screaming and shouting about sacking Pellegrini because 'anything is an improvement' are completely ignoring the history of the club.

Traditionally 'anything' has actually been much worse. It's when we have given a bit of thought to the situation, that we have come up with improvement.

I don't know what Klopp would do, but I feel he is a good manager. But he is leaving a situation similar to ours; team needs refreshing. Only difference is he has struggled much more than Pellegrini. There is no guarantee that Pellegrini leaving, is better than Pellegrini staying or that Klopp or Ancelotti, or even Pep, will do better.

I guarantee who will do better; the next bloke who gets the same freedom to sign players as Mancini had in his early years.
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Re: Klopp

Postby lets all have a disco » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:28 am

IF we haven't even given his agent a call and asked if he is interested or what direction he things he could take us then our board are fools.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:29 am

If they are planning on someone else then there is no point.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:55 am

PrezIke wrote:Everyone's favourite, Jamie Jackson, saying we are not interested.

Klopp it is, then.
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Re: Klopp

Postby sheblue » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:58 am

He is not taking time off so where else will he end up?
PSG might be a possibility.
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Re: Klopp

Postby lets all have a disco » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:00 am

Ted Hughes wrote:If they are planning on someone else then there is no point.



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Re: Klopp

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:53 am

It's an interesting debate isn't it? Much the same as the Guardiola thread, where things just fall into place, right person at the right time.

David O'Leary had a similar situation at Leeds, an incredibly talented group of lads either coming through the system or bought in to develop, yet it was Howard Wilkinson who did all the hard yards to get them to that point and of course he's now faded into obscurity.

I like Klopp, but I do wonder about whether he actually is all that good, or whether it just all came together at the right time. If city are interested, I'd prefer they let him go elsewhere first to see what he is like under different conditions and consider him as a possible candidate in the future. I'm not sure sacking Pellers for him would give us any guarantee of moving forwards next season


I agree, and we need to take that into consideration. Tbf to Klopp, although I don't know how controls the transfer policy at Dortmund, the club made quite a lot of good purchases of players besides bringing through people like Sahin and Götze. The purchases made under Guardiola on the other hand were a bit iffy, the purchase of Ibrahimovich for a record fee and then flogging him off to AC Milan the next season being the most conspicious.

I guess the argument for Klopp is that even if he came in at the right time, he made it happen. A lot of managers would've blown it and made Sahin shell shocked with too much and the wrong type of exposure, for example.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Hazy2 » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:34 pm

Mancini, and Vierra what a partnership.
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Re: Klopp

Postby Wonderwall » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:37 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:
It's an interesting debate isn't it? Much the same as the Guardiola thread, where things just fall into place, right person at the right time.

David O'Leary had a similar situation at Leeds, an incredibly talented group of lads either coming through the system or bought in to develop, yet it was Howard Wilkinson who did all the hard yards to get them to that point and of course he's now faded into obscurity.

I like Klopp, but I do wonder about whether he actually is all that good, or whether it just all came together at the right time. If city are interested, I'd prefer they let him go elsewhere first to see what he is like under different conditions and consider him as a possible candidate in the future. I'm not sure sacking Pellers for him would give us any guarantee of moving forwards next season


I agree, and we need to take that into consideration. Tbf to Klopp, although I don't know how controls the transfer policy at Dortmund, the club made quite a lot of good purchases of players besides bringing through people like Sahin and Götze. The purchases made under Guardiola on the other hand were a bit iffy, the purchase of Ibrahimovich for a record fee and then flogging him off to AC Milan the next season being the most conspicious.

I guess the argument for Klopp is that even if he came in at the right time, he made it happen. A lot of managers would've blown it and made Sahin shell shocked with too much and the wrong type of exposure, for example.


Whoever controls the transfer policy needed a good kicking for getting rid of Reus for nothing and then having to buy him back
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