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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon May 11, 2015 7:02 am

dick dastardley wrote:Myonly worry with pelle is that cruising at 5-0 we bring on navas ffs, why cant we give the kids a chance to sample first team football? And does anyone think he will change nextvseason?
i.e bring along some youth? I dont think so.....
i will plump for pep because of his pulling power in the transfer market and he did get youth playing their team at barca


Tbf I think the kids are a bit goosed. Maybe in the last game if they get a bit of a rest. He is making the right noises about including young players, so maybe it will start to happen if he's still here next season.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Mon May 11, 2015 7:10 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
dick dastardley wrote:Myonly worry with pelle is that cruising at 5-0 we bring on navas ffs, why cant we give the kids a chance to sample first team football? And does anyone think he will change nextvseason?
i.e bring along some youth? I dont think so.....
i will plump for pep because of his pulling power in the transfer market and he did get youth playing their team at barca


Tbf I think the kids are a bit goosed. Maybe in the last game if they get a bit of a rest. He is making the right noises about including young players, so maybe it will start to happen if he's still here next season.


Plus most of the kids were in the cup final on Friday night and might still have been a bit hungover .
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby bigblue » Mon May 11, 2015 7:20 am

Slim wrote:Holloway, that guy is pure comedy gold and I miss his ranting lunacy.


Mick McCarthy would do wonders with our squad.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Plain Speaking » Mon May 11, 2015 9:17 am

I think some recent wins, mostly unconvincing, against poor opposition, are putting a superficial gloss on a lacklustre second half to the season. It was great to win 6-0 yesterday but QPR were abject.

I can't see MP attracting the world's best players in competition with JM's Chelsea, Wenger's Arsenal and big spending United. Winning the PL, let alone the CL! is just going to get harder. This summer could define our future.

Mourinho is the number one manager in the world, we must try and get the best players and next best manager to challenge. Under MP we are incredibly predictable in our build up, (imagine if Aguero or Silva were injured!), we lack pace and our defence is shaky.

The next best managers to Mourinho, who may be available are probably Pep, Ancellotti and Klopp.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon May 11, 2015 9:20 am

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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon May 11, 2015 9:33 am

I think the criticism of Pellegrini is overly harsh but there is some truth in the fact that now Chelsea are Champions, with Mourinho, they are a bigger draw than us, & the rags also fall into that catagory if they are willing to continue spending big. Not Arsenal.

I think those clubs will be in just as strong a positon if we bring in Klopp or Ancelotti though, & there is no guarantee either will improve on Pellegrini. I think Pellegrini's City, was better last season than Ancelotti's Chelsea was a fre seasons back; miles better. Klopp is untried in the Premier League & has just failed totally with a team full of players assembled to play in his style. Ours aren't.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Plain Speaking » Mon May 11, 2015 9:33 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:You're a ray of sunshine

Ha, sorry!
I want us to win the PL and reach at least the semifinal of the CL. Our rivals will strengthen, I just dont want us beginning to sink at this stage in "the project".
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Plain Speaking » Mon May 11, 2015 9:52 am

Ted Hughes wrote:I think the criticism of Pellegrini is overly harsh but there is some truth in the fact that now Chelsea are Champions, with Mourinho, they are a bigger draw than us, & the rags also fall into that catagory if they are willing to continue spending big. Not Arsenal.

I think those clubs will be in just as strong a positon if we bring in Klopp or Ancelotti though, & there is no guarantee either will improve on Pellegrini. I think Pellegrini's City, was better last season than Ancelotti's Chelsea was a fre seasons back; miles better. Klopp is untried in the Premier League & has just failed totally with a team full of players assembled to play in his style. Ours aren't.

Wenger seems to have tempered his attacking, possession based philosophy, for an awareness about the importance of a strong defence. MP has not grasped this nettle. Since Wenger has done this, Arsenal have had better results than Chelsea and are likely to achieve second place in the PL above us. I believe the attraction of Wenger as a manager is greater than that of MP. At the moment we risk being 4th in the list of attractive PL clubs. With say Pep we would probably be 2nd behind Chelsea?
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby sheblue » Mon May 11, 2015 9:56 am

Were not that far behind Chelsea. In fact only for our awful run we would be very close if not better than them. They will sign two top players in the summer, we need at least three. In terms of transfers the city hierarchy MUST get it right this summer.
I hope Pelligrini is allowed another season with a stronger squad.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon May 11, 2015 10:01 am

Plain Speaking wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I think the criticism of Pellegrini is overly harsh but there is some truth in the fact that now Chelsea are Champions, with Mourinho, they are a bigger draw than us, & the rags also fall into that catagory if they are willing to continue spending big. Not Arsenal.

I think those clubs will be in just as strong a positon if we bring in Klopp or Ancelotti though, & there is no guarantee either will improve on Pellegrini. I think Pellegrini's City, was better last season than Ancelotti's Chelsea was a fre seasons back; miles better. Klopp is untried in the Premier League & has just failed totally with a team full of players assembled to play in his style. Ours aren't.

Wenger seems to have tempered his attacking, possession based philosophy, for an awareness about the importance of a strong defence. MP has not grasped this nettle. Since Wenger has done this, Arsenal have had better results than Chelsea and are likely to achieve second place in the PL above us. I believe the attraction of Wenger as a manager is greater than that of MP. At the moment we risk being 4th in the list of attractive PL clubs. With say Pep we would probably be 2nd behind Chelsea?


Utd, if they are willing to spend shitloads of money, are the biggest draw imo, slightly, & that's purely because the media will help them by bullshitting them & dissing us. Then Chelsea because of the title+Mourinho, then City because we have won the title twice in 4 years & have considerably more money than Arsenal, even with ffp.

With Pep, we become the No 1 choice imo, as most players want to play that kind of football. Hence the rag media will attempt character assassination if it starts to become a reality.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon May 11, 2015 10:16 am

We outplayed Chelsea twice. We have a reputation for being more entertaining, have had better results over the last five years overall than Chelsea. We have scored more and The Count doesn't get accused of being boring or having his side cheating and using gamesmanship. We will have a bigger budget than them and arguably have a better squad of players already.
And we have done that while moaning get has been there.
You can easily state the case for us being a more attractive proposition than Chelsea if you look at it with a more positive attitude.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Mon May 11, 2015 10:18 am

That's a fair point Piccs. Would you prefer to go play for a manager that will put you in a regimented, mechanical system or would you prefer to play for a manager that will give you freedom to express yourself on the pitch?
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon May 11, 2015 10:23 am

That's all true but players want to win trophies, that's why they leave Arsenal. Mourinho is the most likely manager to win a league from that group, & has proved he can do it again there.

So that will be a strong pulling point for most players. We will have to outbid & outpay them.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Mon May 11, 2015 10:26 am

Ted Hughes wrote:That's all true but players want to win trophies, that's why they leave Arsenal. Mourinho is the most likely manager to win a league from that group, & has proved he can do it again there.

So that will be a strong pulling point for most players. We will have to outbid & outpay them.


Of course they do but we can offer the opportunity to play for trophies too.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Mon May 11, 2015 10:27 am

And we have done it twice in three years. It's not like a player looks at us and thinks he has no chance of winning pots
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon May 11, 2015 10:29 am

That's why we are still in with a shout of getting some quality players in, & above Wenger. Just not currently as big a draw as Mourinho imo.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Wonderwall » Mon May 11, 2015 10:58 am

Ted Hughes wrote:That's all true but players want to win trophies, that's why they leave Arsenal. Mourinho is the most likely manager to win a league from that group, & has proved he can do it again there.

So that will be a strong pulling point for most players. We will have to outbid & outpay them.


Some players want to win trophies, some want other things, whatever they are (James Milner)
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby iwasthere2012 » Mon May 11, 2015 11:16 am

Wonderwall wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:That's all true but players want to win trophies, that's why they leave Arsenal. Mourinho is the most likely manager to win a league from that group, & has proved he can do it again there.

So that will be a strong pulling point for most players. We will have to outbid & outpay them.


Some players want to win trophies, some want other things, whatever they are (James Milner)


I like Milner for his work rate and Utility value, but yesterday's performance isn't the first time we've seen him just lack the finesse or technique or something, to be able to play the fast keep the ball moving kind of football that we are trying to do. I think he is moving on and good luck to him. He has served City well. But, I see him as one of the players that we could replace from within the club. I'm sure we have a suitable candidate in the youth set up that could offer as much enthusiasm and work rate and probably more technique.
If Pep does come, I say fine, he will probably draw a better choice of player during the summer transfer window. Would he use anyone from the academy any more than Pellegrini is likely to though? In his first season he would likely need to bed himself in first and have a look. Pellegrini is talking like he is starting to take heed of a few players from the youth, with the prospect of a few getting a chance.
I'm between two minds at the moment. I can see the benefit of taking Pep if we get the chance, not least because I think it would be a set back if he turns up in the Prem. the following year for one of our rivals. But I wouldn't mind Vieira being brought into the first team management fold with Pellers and see what kind of player that could attract. Hopefully either way we will see some real quality coming into the first team this summer and a mixture of some youth being infused into the squad to get us all excited at the prospect of next season.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon May 11, 2015 11:28 am

iwasthere2012 wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:That's all true but players want to win trophies, that's why they leave Arsenal. Mourinho is the most likely manager to win a league from that group, & has proved he can do it again there.

So that will be a strong pulling point for most players. We will have to outbid & outpay them.


Some players want to win trophies, some want other things, whatever they are (James Milner)


I like Milner for his work rate and Utility value, but yesterday's performance isn't the first time we've seen him just lack the finesse or technique or something, to be able to play the fast keep the ball moving kind of football that we are trying to do. I think he is moving on and good luck to him. He has served City well. But, I see him as one of the players that we could replace from within the club. I'm sure we have a suitable candidate in the youth set up that could offer as much enthusiasm and work rate and probably more technique.
If Pep does come, I say fine, he will probably draw a better choice of player during the summer transfer window. Would he use anyone from the academy any more than Pellegrini is likely to though? In his first season he would likely need to bed himself in first and have a look. Pellegrini is talking like he is starting to take heed of a few players from the youth, with the prospect of a few getting a chance.
I'm between two minds at the moment. I can see the benefit of taking Pep if we get the chance, not least because I think it would be a set back if he turns up in the Prem. the following year for one of our rivals. But I wouldn't mind Vieira being brought into the first team management fold with Pellers and see what kind of player that could attract. Hopefully either way we will see some real quality coming into the first team this summer and a mixture of some youth being infused into the squad to get us all excited at the prospect of next season.


I think Mourinho made it clear that he intended to play Loftus-Cheek, only once there was nothing to play for, because he was paid for results and had to select the best players to get those results. He then also said that he owed it to Manchester United not to play several kids, but to remain competetive whilst rotating the squad.

Whilst Pellegrini has never said anything similar, he's under the same pressures and you got to sympathise with the predicament.
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Re: Manager of your choice

Postby lets all have a disco » Mon May 11, 2015 1:05 pm

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