mercenaries

[zuricity]

My biggest worry is whether pep had tucked his balls away.

Seeing Fernando and navas start ahead of sane and Gundogan worried me right away. The pair haven't quite hit the highs yet in their short stay, but navas and Fernando haven't in several years. Why did pep who has not been afraid of upsetting anyone think those two could keep up with a young Spurs side hungry? Was it a genuine mistake or is he being talked round to all this in England rubbish we hear on commentary?

They've also gone bonkers on the not playing the ball to the keeper in England. Pep need to show everyone what he came to do and use the players that can do the job. I know he's not popular anymore but if Fernando is good enough for this system, yaya should be playing.

Gundogan, is not match fit, he will be and it is worth building him up slowly this is a vastly different pace of to Germany, same with Sane, as for Yaya, like hoofing it, not going to happen mate never ever.The sooner fans accept Pep has his style and will not bend for anyone. He fronted out the Barca, board with his determination to succeed his way and look at the legacy, Spurs are a top team and a threat, losing there was on the cards.

The 'Pace' of the game yesterday wasn't fast. We were not as good with our passing going forward.

The ball didn't bounce for us at all and passes seemed to be too erratic.

Still , the own goal was totally avoidable and didn't help the cause, neither does Fernando either.

Even though i thought we should have been set up not to lose. Daft goals like the first one ruin any game plan . Zabba and Otto lunging in around the box doesn't help either.

[carl_feedthegoat]

I've been angry for over 24 hours about the absolute capitulation yesterday.

It started with a massively shit lineup and got worse from there.

Shit lineup, as in Count ca. any of the last 18 months. Absolute horseshit. Couldn't believe i saw Fernando and Navas back in and Aleks at FB vs Spurs pace. Sounded like a mess on paper. In practice? Well, fucking, Duh.

obsession with playing out from the back when clearly not every cunt was up for beating the press by running their bollox off. Hats off to Stones for being amazing btw. What a fucking player. Love that kid.

Lack of taking advantage of that midfield space left by their press. Zero fucking midfield bite to contend with Wanyama. The fucker was like Yaya circa 2012. Shitty decisions that we've got basically no one to play in that position either. Look at the roster. Who is it? He's nobody.

Poor service. Kun was an isolated, tragic figure.

Lack of tactical changes early when it was obvious Pep had gotten it 100% wrong. Spurs were fucking all over us from minute 1 and their gameplan was clear. In fact, this is allegedly the same exact approach that Pochettino used in Spain with Espanyol to beat Pep's Barca side many years ago.

In short, for those that didn't see it...Spurs gave us a lesson. Pep said "today, they were better" which while 100% true masks the question "why?"

Spurs have a great team, and a great coach. We better get our shit sorted if we think we're going to pip Spurs or Scouse victims to the title cuz the last week was fucking nothing like what it will require to do so.

cheers

There was no capitulation, we were beaten by the better side on the day, it happens, get over it.

Perhaps if Silva had done better with that ball Navas put on a plate for him in the opening minutes then we could've got something out of the game but let's blame the usual suspects, it's easier that way.

Kolorov was a disgrace..2 games on the trot..Zabba is finished as far as being in the starting line up is concerned and Fernando should always come on when we are defending a lead..also not in the starting line up.

Sterling should not be played on the left as well ffs !!

Pep would have seen what we all would have seen...unlike Pellefuckigngrini who persisted with that lump of shit Pony up front ahead of Inacho...I doubt Pep will do the same with non performers.

It will be a different side against Everton.....100%.

[Sister of fu]

I don't think mercenaries is the right word.

Our starting line-up yesterday just contained a lot of poor players: Kolarov, Zab, Otamendi, Fernando, Navas

For a title chasing side, that's a lot of players who are not the required standard.

Pep got it wrong yesterday. Even without KDB and Nolito, we still had Clichy, Sagna, Gundogan and Sane on the bench who could have played.

The biggest concern though is central defence. Stones has been below average for the last few years and he's currently our best centre back. We really need him to step up and turn into the star so many believe he can be.

Eh?

Eh x 2

[crowdsway]

Were the monkeys.

[Hazy2]

My biggest worry is whether pep had tucked his balls away.

Seeing Fernando and navas start ahead of sane and Gundogan worried me right away. The pair haven't quite hit the highs yet in their short stay, but navas and Fernando haven't in several years. Why did pep who has not been afraid of upsetting anyone think those two could keep up with a young Spurs side hungry? Was it a genuine mistake or is he being talked round to all this in England rubbish we hear on commentary?

They've also gone bonkers on the not playing the ball to the keeper in England. Pep need to show everyone what he came to do and use the players that can do the job. I know he's not popular anymore but if Fernando is good enough for this system, yaya should be playing.

Gundogan, is not match fit, he will be and it is worth building him up slowly this is a vastly different pace of to Germany, same with Sane, as for Yaya, like hoofing it, not going to happen mate never ever.The sooner fans accept Pep has his style and will not bend for anyone. He fronted out the Barca, board with his determination to succeed his way and look at the legacy, Spurs are a top team and a threat, losing there was on the cards.

The 'Pace' of the game yesterday wasn't fast. We were not as good with our passing going forward.

The ball didn't bounce for us at all and passes seemed to be too erratic.

Still , the own goal was totally avoidable and didn't help the cause, neither does Fernando either.

Even though i thought we should have been set up not to lose. Daft goals like the first one ruin any game plan . Zabba and Otto lunging in around the box doesn't help either.

Spurs are a very good young side Potchitino set traps for us, we were a click or two below par, take away KDB we had a laboured look until Kelechi came on, I thought, out wide they had an advantage which I think Pep is making do with until he gets in the Full backs needed to give us what Sours had energy to go all game up and down naturally. Tough game after the mayhem in Glasgow. Pep will sort it.

[Beefymcfc]

Sorry NT, I'm not having that. No one has rolled over for us this season.

We were second best all over the park in the first half yesterday but that's not necessarily down to lack of passion, I'd suggest fatigue played it's part yesterday after a tough two weeks travelling. I also think Pep got his team selection wrong.

I'd go with that mate. I was amazed to see both Kolarov and Zab's playing today and with both Fern's in the middle I had serious doubts on our ability to compete with their intensity. Kolarov has played for the majority of the season and 6 games in a month, against some very difficult opposition, will take its toll. Zab's is in a similar situation and we've all said he's not quite got the legs anymore. Fernandinho alluded to himself being knackered after the gruelling fixture list (,not forgetting being on the road for the last 4) and if he's getting jaded you can put a pound to a penny that the others are. Fernando can be an asset but how many full games has he played, and is he really a starter for us?

I actually thought that Pep was using this game to test his system against the players and proving to himself and the board if these players were good enough going forward. When you looked at the alternative on the bench I was actually bemused by the selection. Clichy and Sagna are far better options to the Spurs attacking threat and without KdB you could really be looking at Garcia to step in and help that midfield flow.

And Sane, when does he get a game? We'll play a bloke for a full 90 in his first game back after a long layoff yet we wont give a youngster a shot when he clearly needs game time.

Very puzzling so my only conclusion is that Pep is taking them to their limits, knowing that if he breaks them he'll get replacements in the January window. This year is his freebe, it's next year that he will be expected to challenge across the board.

[DoomMerchant]

I've been angry for over 24 hours about the absolute capitulation yesterday.

It started with a massively shit lineup and got worse from there.

Shit lineup, as in Count ca. any of the last 18 months. Absolute horseshit. Couldn't believe i saw Fernando and Navas back in and Aleks at FB vs Spurs pace. Sounded like a mess on paper. In practice? Well, fucking, Duh.

obsession with playing out from the back when clearly not every cunt was up for beating the press by running their bollox off. Hats off to Stones for being amazing btw. What a fucking player. Love that kid.

Lack of taking advantage of that midfield space left by their press. Zero fucking midfield bite to contend with Wanyama. The fucker was like Yaya circa 2012. Shitty decisions that we've got basically no one to play in that position either. Look at the roster. Who is it? He's nobody.

Poor service. Kun was an isolated, tragic figure.

Lack of tactical changes early when it was obvious Pep had gotten it 100% wrong. Spurs were fucking all over us from minute 1 and their gameplan was clear. In fact, this is allegedly the same exact approach that Pochettino used in Spain with Espanyol to beat Pep's Barca side many years ago.

In short, for those that didn't see it...Spurs gave us a lesson. Pep said "today, they were better" which while 100% true masks the question "why?"

Spurs have a great team, and a great coach. We better get our shit sorted if we think we're going to pip Spurs or Scouse victims to the title cuz the last week was fucking nothing like what it will require to do so.

cheers

There was no capitulation, we were beaten by the better side on the day, it happens, get over it.

Perhaps if Silva had done better with that ball Navas put on a plate for him in the opening minutes then we could've got something out of the game but let's blame the usual suspects, it's easier that way.

If you don't call losing to a fellow title challenger 2-0 and what should have been 3-0 a capitulation then I dunno what it was.

We were shit all the way around. Don't paper over it. It's not knee jerk. It's factual.

Cheers

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I've been angry for over 24 hours about the absolute capitulation yesterday.

It started with a massively shit lineup and got worse from there.

Shit lineup, as in Count ca. any of the last 18 months. Absolute horseshit. Couldn't believe i saw Fernando and Navas back in and Aleks at FB vs Spurs pace. Sounded like a mess on paper. In practice? Well, fucking, Duh.

obsession with playing out from the back when clearly not every cunt was up for beating the press by running their bollox off. Hats off to Stones for being amazing btw. What a fucking player. Love that kid.

Lack of taking advantage of that midfield space left by their press. Zero fucking midfield bite to contend with Wanyama. The fucker was like Yaya circa 2012. Shitty decisions that we've got basically no one to play in that position either. Look at the roster. Who is it? He's nobody.

Poor service. Kun was an isolated, tragic figure.

Lack of tactical changes early when it was obvious Pep had gotten it 100% wrong. Spurs were fucking all over us from minute 1 and their gameplan was clear. In fact, this is allegedly the same exact approach that Pochettino used in Spain with Espanyol to beat Pep's Barca side many years ago.

In short, for those that didn't see it...Spurs gave us a lesson. Pep said "today, they were better" which while 100% true masks the question "why?"

Spurs have a great team, and a great coach. We better get our shit sorted if we think we're going to pip Spurs or Scouse victims to the title cuz the last week was fucking nothing like what it will require to do so.

cheers

There was no capitulation, we were beaten by the better side on the day, it happens, get over it.

Perhaps if Silva had done better with that ball Navas put on a plate for him in the opening minutes then we could've got something out of the game but let's blame the usual suspects, it's easier that way.

If you don't call losing to a fellow title challenger 2-0 and what should have been 3-0 a capitulation then I dunno what it was.

We were shit all the way around. Don't paper over it. It's not knee jerk. It's factual.

Cheers

Capitulation suggests we were on the end of a hammering, we weren't, simple as.

I'm not pretending we were anything other than poor in that first half but you're over reacting just a tad imo.

[Beefymcfc]

I like to have a look at the stats after the game and was quite surprised to see how well we did, without the score of course:

Sky Stats v Spurs

[Nigels Tackle]

I like to have a look at the stats after the game and was quite surprised to see how well we did, without the score of course:

Sky Stats v Spurs

they missed one out
desire spuds 95% city 25%

[johnny crossan]

...Very puzzling so my only conclusion is that Pep is taking them to their limits, knowing that if he breaks them he'll get replacements in the January window. This year is his freebe, it's next year that he will be expected to challenge across the board.

I agree Beefy, this testing to destruction business is a very rats in the lab approach. Pretty cruel really, especially on us.

[MilnersJaw]

Wow some of you really are Mardy cunts. The op is overreacting big time. It's one game against probably the best team in the league bar us of course.

we struggle against teams that play with passion. celtic are fucking shit but managed to find another gear because they care. the difference between the 2 sides yesterday was a mental one. our lads don't play with any fire in their bellies.

No point Nige. Some people are still happy that Joe Royle got us promoted from division one and 'at least George Weah played for us once'. Players attitudes go down as 'ah well, these thing happen. It's just a bad day at the office' but they'll be th same fans that are moaning when all the 'time served' fans just pack it in and we're left with a bunch of glory supporters.

Come the fuck on. It's alright to say bad day at the office over one result. Your point might be valid if we had a few similar results close together.

Celtic game wasn't a throw away either.

[Mase]

Wow some of you really are Mardy cunts. The op is overreacting big time. It's one game against probably the best team in the league bar us of course.

we struggle against teams that play with passion. celtic are fucking shit but managed to find another gear because they care. the difference between the 2 sides yesterday was a mental one. our lads don't play with any fire in their bellies.

No point Nige. Some people are still happy that Joe Royle got us promoted from division one and 'at least George Weah played for us once'. Players attitudes go down as 'ah well, these thing happen. It's just a bad day at the office' but they'll be th same fans that are moaning when all the 'time served' fans just pack it in and we're left with a bunch of glory supporters.

Come the fuck on. It's alright to say bad day at the office over one result. Your point might be valid if we had a few similar results close together.

Celtic game wasn't a throw away either.

I don't think anyone's mentioned how many games we've lost. It's the manner we lost it.

[Nigels Tackle]

Wow some of you really are Mardy cunts. The op is overreacting big time. It's one game against probably the best team in the league bar us of course.

we struggle against teams that play with passion. celtic are fucking shit but managed to find another gear because they care. the difference between the 2 sides yesterday was a mental one. our lads don't play with any fire in their bellies.

No point Nige. Some people are still happy that Joe Royle got us promoted from division one and 'at least George Weah played for us once'. Players attitudes go down as 'ah well, these thing happen. It's just a bad day at the office' but they'll be th same fans that are moaning when all the 'time served' fans just pack it in and we're left with a bunch of glory supporters.

Come the fuck on. It's alright to say bad day at the office over one result. Your point might be valid if we had a few similar results close together.

Celtic game wasn't a throw away either.

I don't think anyone's mentioned how many games we've lost. It's the manner we lost it.

they don't get it, mase. they just don't get it....

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Nah NT, you just don't get it. We ran 114k collectively against Spurs.

In our first five games this season we ran 570k or an average of _____? per game.

Getting beaten doesn't automatically mean that we didn't put the effort in like you seem to think it does. There are numerous other factors to be considered.

[Nigels Tackle]

Nah NT, you just don't get it. We ran 114k collectively against Spurs.

In our first five games this season we ran 570k or an average of _____? per game.

Getting beaten doesn't automatically mean that we didn't put the effort in like you seem to think it does. There are numerous other factors to be considered.

not for the first time, we lost to a team WHO WANTED IT MORE THAN US. is that easier for you to understand?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Nah NT, you just don't get it. We ran 114k collectively against Spurs.

In our first five games this season we ran 570k or an average of _____? per game.

Getting beaten doesn't automatically mean that we didn't put the effort in like you seem to think it does. There are numerous other factors to be considered.

not for the first time, we lost to a team WHO WANTED IT MORE THAN US. is that easier for you to understand?

Yeah ok, sorry I forget you can see into the psyche of the players, please forgive me oh wise one.

[Mase]

Aren't you one that says Kolarov doesn't give a shit?? Interesting you talk about looking psyche of players....

[zuricity]

Nah NT, you just don't get it. We ran 114k collectively against Spurs.

In our first five games this season we ran 570k or an average of _____? per game.

Getting beaten doesn't automatically mean that we didn't put the effort in like you seem to think it does. There are numerous other factors to be considered.

not for the first time, we lost to a team WHO WANTED IT MORE THAN US. is that easier for you to understand?

They certainly did not WANT it more than us !

They were gifted two goals , perhaps you should leave it at that.

[DoomMerchant]

this alleged conversation is surreal.

We were shit. End of story. This isn't complex, motherfuckers. We got bossed off the park. Bossed.

cheers