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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:02 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I don't especially want Pep to be sacked yet. I'm not sure how much good it would do right now. There will come a point mind.
I'd like people to admit he is decidedly average and no better than Pellers though.
I've seen for some time it's a case.of the "Emperor's new Clothes" with Pep
His team selection has been odd, his substitutions worse.
He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy.
So far we are hanging on to the leaders coat tails and looking hugely disorganised. Pellers wasnt n afforded that luxury.
The fact Chelsea are ordinary gives hope.


So he's not even in the job half a season but you've already made a judgement that he's decidedly average, don't you think you may be jumping the gun a bit?

We are after all talking about the most decorated club coach of the last decade and a man who built one of the best club sides that football has ever seen.



He's hardly taking is to the next level. It's perceived wisdom that he'll only be here three years,and that he can't be expected to pull up trees in his first year. We can write that off.
Well he'd better pull his finger out in the next two.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:03 am

Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I don't especially want Pep to be sacked yet. I'm not sure how much good it would do right now. There will come a point mind.
I'd like people to admit he is decidedly average and no better than Pellers though.
I've seen for some time it's a case.of the "Emperor's new Clothes" with Pep
His team selection has been odd, his substitutions worse.
He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy.
So far we are hanging on to the leaders coat tails and looking hugely disorganised. Pellers wasnt n afforded that luxury.
The fact Chelsea are ordinary gives hope.


So he's not even in the job half a season but you've already made a judgement that he's decidedly average, don't you think you may be jumping the gun a bit?

We are after all talking about the most decorated club coach of the last decade and a man who built one of the best club sides that football has ever seen.



The very idea that some " don't want him to be sacked yet" ( sounds a little like you do really!) is mindboggling to me.

He is struggling to sort out quite a few things as we can all plainly see but seriously!!!! There are a few things I wish he had done ( more use of some kids) some I wish he hadn't ( Kolarov as a virtual first choice) but just have a little patience and let a top quality manager work it out.

As for people wanting him to fail well there are a hell of a lot. maybe not City fans as of couse we don't want City to fail but out there in the media/press they can't wait as indicated by the questions he gets at the conferences.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:06 am

Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I don't especially want Pep to be sacked yet. I'm not sure how much good it would do right now. There will come a point mind.
I'd like people to admit he is decidedly average and no better than Pellers though.
I've seen for some time it's a case.of the "Emperor's new Clothes" with Pep
His team selection has been odd, his substitutions worse.
He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy.
So far we are hanging on to the leaders coat tails and looking hugely disorganised. Pellers wasnt n afforded that luxury.
The fact Chelsea are ordinary gives hope.


So he's not even in the job half a season but you've already made a judgement that he's decidedly average, don't you think you may be jumping the gun a bit?

We are after all talking about the most decorated club coach of the last decade and a man who built one of the best club sides that football has ever seen.



He's hardly taking is to the next level. It's perceived wisdom that he'll only be here three years,and that he can't be expected to pull up trees in his first year. We can write that off.
Well he'd better pull his finger out in the next two.

You expect him to take us to the 'next level' with Kolarov and Ottamendi in the team, after 20+ games? Then what, turn water into wine?
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:08 am

I want him to succeed. It's what we have been building to for years. Pep is the ultimate appointment. Hopefully he will get a handle on the job, but up to now, far from making players better, it all looks a shambolic pigs breakfast.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:12 am

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I don't especially want Pep to be sacked yet. I'm not sure how much good it would do right now. There will come a point mind.
I'd like people to admit he is decidedly average and no better than Pellers though.
I've seen for some time it's a case.of the "Emperor's new Clothes" with Pep
His team selection has been odd, his substitutions worse.
He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy.
So far we are hanging on to the leaders coat tails and looking hugely disorganised. Pellers wasnt n afforded that luxury.
The fact Chelsea are ordinary gives hope.


So he's not even in the job half a season but you've already made a judgement that he's decidedly average, don't you think you may be jumping the gun a bit?

We are after all talking about the most decorated club coach of the last decade and a man who built one of the best club sides that football has ever seen.



The very idea that some " don't want him to be sacked yet" ( sounds a little like you do really!) is mindboggling to me.

He is struggling to sort out quite a few things as we can all plainly see but seriously!!!! There are a few things I wish he had done ( more use of some kids) some I wish he hadn't ( Kolarov as a virtual first choice) but just have a little patience and let a top quality manager work it out.

As for people wanting him to fail well there are a hell of a lot. maybe not City fans as of couse we don't want City to fail but out there in the media/press they can't wait as indicated by the questions he gets at the conferences.


I agree but I'm not following the bit in brackets in your first sentence? Are you saying that it sounds like I'm saying I don't want him sacked "yet"?
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Piccsnumberoneblue » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:20 am

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:
Foreverinbluedreams wrote:
Piccsnumberoneblue wrote:I don't especially want Pep to be sacked yet. I'm not sure how much good it would do right now. There will come a point mind.
I'd like people to admit he is decidedly average and no better than Pellers though.
I've seen for some time it's a case.of the "Emperor's new Clothes" with Pep
His team selection has been odd, his substitutions worse.
He's not the messiah he's a very naughty boy.
So far we are hanging on to the leaders coat tails and looking hugely disorganised. Pellers wasnt n afforded that luxury.
The fact Chelsea are ordinary gives hope.


So he's not even in the job half a season but you've already made a judgement that he's decidedly average, don't you think you may be jumping the gun a bit?

We are after all talking about the most decorated club coach of the last decade and a man who built one of the best club sides that football has ever seen.



He's hardly taking is to the next level. It's perceived wisdom that he'll only be here three years,and that he can't be expected to pull up trees in his first year. We can write that off.
Well he'd better pull his finger out in the next two.

You expect him to take us to the 'next level' with Kolarov and Ottamendi in the team, after 20+ games? Then what, turn water into wine?


He could have sorted the playing squad out. 'Should have' even.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:37 am

He did try to get Bonnuci and Laporte Piccs.

Also on the full back situation, 3 from 4 are in their final year this year so next summer there is plenty of room for manoeuvre in terms of getting who he wants in. The summer just gone we had the choice of moving them on for little or nothing and probably paying up the remainder of their contracts, perhaps it was decided for financial reasons not to change?
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby iwasthere2012 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:43 am

Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:You expect him to take us to the 'next level' with Kolarov and Ottamendi in the team, after 20+ games? Then what, turn water into wine?


He thought that was covered with Navas.
He has the wine sorted though from January on when Gabriel arrives.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Dec 14, 2016 12:18 pm

Hazy2 wrote:He also needs to understand the love and passion of the fans. Once he gets that, he'll become our best manager, ever ;-)

At the moment he seems very detached from us, and the club to be honest, and comes across as a little boxed off with the coaching role. I'm sure that in time it will come though, and that's when Pep will gain City fans faith.

The detached bit I do get that, however he is Catalan and they take a little getting used too. This is serious biz for him and he will not be sleeping after some of the self inflicted draws and defeats, he has seen, rightly we should have 15 points more, that will be driving him nuts, us we have to let our man do it as no other fucker will they will snipe and unbalance us if they are allowed too. Beefy every blue should get the book on him it will give you a picture of his desire to be the best every day and better the next day.

I don't think I need his book to get him, I understand him already. From his previous at Barca and Munich to his current on the line or in interviews. He's got plenty of time for me but as he says himself, results dictate a managers timeline, not tactics, projects or his reputation. He is a passionate bloke whose mind never stops but, and it's a big but, if he doesn't get those results nothing can follow.

We know that he can set-up correctly in this league, our first lot of results proved that. It was only when HE thought that he would start to inculcate his own view of the game on the players where it started going wrong. We all get it, he wants that system to work and it probably could, but we are not far enough down the line, as yet. If we persist it may come good but from what we've seen so far it's doomed to failure.

Another thing that has to be taken into account is the media pressure building. The fuckers didn't want him at City and even though they respect the manager, they wanted to see him elsewhere in the Sky 4. They've given him a hard time already and aren't interested in his tactics or formations, they're after a story and if they don't get it, they'll make one to suit. You know the script.

Only the other day on route back from the continent I had the misfortune to tune into TalkSport and the one and only Jim White. He was incensed that Pep wouldn't answer a question directly regarding if Aguero was sorry about his challenge on Luiz. The total disrespect he was showing, angrily stating that they have a right to an answer, even took me back as I've never heard such displeasure against another manager; it seemed so out of kilter to what we perceive Pep coming across as. I see it as him protecting his player, Jim White perceived it as our manager disrespecting the cockroaches. And let's not forget, this so called independent reporter is an anchor at Sky Sports so you just know that he won't just be spoutingbthat vile shit to the white van man but all and sundry. He has a loud voice.

And we all know how the press in Spain got to him, he looked a dishevelled man after finishing there and even took a lot when in Germany. They do say a genius mind is sometimes fragile, I'm just hoping he turns it around quickly and gets on the front foot with these cunts.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby dazby » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:07 pm

Have faith, be loyal, stay for the 95 minutes and the rest will take care of itself.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:58 pm

dazby wrote:Have faith, be loyal, stay for the 95 minutes and the rest will take care of itself.


80 maybe 85 but 95 are you out of your mind ! Personally would never leave before the final whistle but you have to understand the value of getting home a couple of minutes earlier.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Justified logic » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:10 pm

iwasthere2012 wrote:
Peter Doherty (AGAIG) wrote:You expect him to take us to the 'next level' with Kolarov and Ottamendi in the team, after 20+ games? Then what, turn water into wine?


He thought that was covered with Navas.
He has the wine sorted though from January on when Gabriel arrives.

It's been done already. Yaya is the proof. Well 60% proof.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Mase » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:37 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
dazby wrote:Have faith, be loyal, stay for the 95 minutes and the rest will take care of itself.


80 maybe 85 but 95 are you out of your mind ! Personally would never leave before the final whistle but you have to understand the value of getting home a couple of minutes earlier.


Have you got the survey results that you've conducting of people that leave the stadium early, with 'getting home early' as the reason? It would be wonderful to look over them.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby bigblue » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:53 pm

Mase wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
dazby wrote:Have faith, be loyal, stay for the 95 minutes and the rest will take care of itself.


80 maybe 85 but 95 are you out of your mind ! Personally would never leave before the final whistle but you have to understand the value of getting home a couple of minutes earlier.


Have you got the survey results that you've conducting of people that leave the stadium early, with 'getting home early' as the reason? It would be wonderful to look over them.


What would be the other reasons - Get cold? Left a pie in the oven? The shakes kick in and you need another drink?
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Original Dub » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:04 pm

Whether we care or not, we seem the most obvious for empty seats and dull atmosphere.

To think that it doesn't affect the team's performance is just daft. Every player talks about how the team was lifted that extra bit by the crowd. Every player knows away games are more difficult, or certainly should be more difficult and that is because you don't have the crowd behind you.

It's not the most important element to winning a game obviously, but it is obviously important and I'd love to see the club address it. Our place should be rocking and it has been on occasion when I've been there - that famous Hamburg game was absolutely electric and anyone who was there will remember it forever. But it definitely made the players fight tooth and nail - half them limped off or ended up with bandages.

Pep has problems to face but it's a pity that this problem is something that the club should be able to sort out and either don't care or can't figure out what to do.

Whether it offends some of you or not, it's a shame it is the way it is.

Everyone wants to get home early. In every top stadium around the world. So there's that.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Mase » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:31 pm

bigblue wrote:
Mase wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
dazby wrote:Have faith, be loyal, stay for the 95 minutes and the rest will take care of itself.


80 maybe 85 but 95 are you out of your mind ! Personally would never leave before the final whistle but you have to understand the value of getting home a couple of minutes earlier.


Have you got the survey results that you've conducting of people that leave the stadium early, with 'getting home early' as the reason? It would be wonderful to look over them.


What would be the other reasons - Get cold? Left a pie in the oven? The shakes kick in and you need another drink?


Yeh you're right, it's got to be just that one reason.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:50 pm

Mase wrote:
bigblue wrote:
Mase wrote:
Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
dazby wrote:Have faith, be loyal, stay for the 95 minutes and the rest will take care of itself.


80 maybe 85 but 95 are you out of your mind ! Personally would never leave before the final whistle but you have to understand the value of getting home a couple of minutes earlier.


Have you got the survey results that you've conducting of people that leave the stadium early, with 'getting home early' as the reason? It would be wonderful to look over them.


What would be the other reasons - Get cold? Left a pie in the oven? The shakes kick in and you need another drink?


Yeh you're right, it's got to be just that one reason.



Don't care what the reason is.That's the one I hear most of. Just cannot see it myself.

I remain baffled why so many arrive late,spend time going to the loo and getting drinks ( thats what half time's for if it's such a necessity) and then leaving early some folks must miss a good 20 minutes of games. Even weirder when I see many leaving a youth game early! What's that about? Sounds like I care but I just find it mildly amusing
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Original Dub » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:56 pm

It would be mildly amusing if it wasn't a stain on our image.

Again, image might not be important to some fans but it's massively important to the owners who have us in this amazing position.
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Dec 14, 2016 4:57 pm

I think it's time to rest this thread for the moment and get some positivity going.

Come on the Pep!!!
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Re: Pep Out. Again!

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