United fan shot in the heart by a shot gun

[mr_nool]

What is this about?

Don't worry mate. We're not talking about how we all would like to eat you out.

Or are we?

This is all too much. I am going to my girl friends in a minute me thinks for some time alone with her. She will soon take my mind of this strange thread i could call it? :)

Sorry for all this gay stuff lewis. I can see how it would be uncomfortable for someone who's still inscure in their masculinity.

[brite blu sky]

Now i dont like U***d fans but this is bang out of order and going too far! I wish the guy all the best and a speedy recovery!

What are peoples thoughts on football violence these days?

Is it worse than what it use to be and is there to much riding on football matches nowadays for the sake of bragging rights and when things like this happen!

Although i would love the bragging rights that come with the thought of beating U***d and going to wembley.

shooting someone in the chest with a shotgun after a slanging match sound like total cowardice.

As for football violence these days, it seems like the passive majority have gone back to being just that.
in the late sevs and early ayties even Rochdale had a crew. Trouble with that era though was that every tom dick and harry thought it was good and emulated the real crews.. soon we had slashings every fuclin weekend, often 3 or more.

sick

some reports i heard were lads being held down and slashed

bravo!

then it gets that any old fan will do as a target to slash.. waliking alone.. home after a match

what a fuclin nob leader you must be to get your mates to help you out with that one.


That i presume is all in the past now in football.
back in that day a night out in a club in leeds sheffield or the pool ran a lot of risks because the silent majority thought it was the norm to challenge anyone from out of town.
Rave culture got rid of that for a new generation of the yoof and football seemed to sort its act out at the same time.

Anyone know of a history of violence in english football? let alone a history of violence between reds and blues in m/c ?

my old man's old man related that reds and blues used to be all mixed up and go see the match that weekend whoevr was playing at home.
Seems totally alien to my generation but knowing my grandfather i rekon there must have been a fair old bit of banter flying round... but given that they would all be with their mates i rekon they all had a good laugh.

i cant imagine that the rivalry would have been any less, perhaps they had mass brawls in those days to relieve the tension-- john68 you are supposed to be the living proof on these matters.. what do you remebmer about the violence in the 20's ?

[BlueinBosnia]

all this excitement in a simple thread about a man shot in the heart.

cheers

This thread has turned into a number of differant threads turned into one.

Bib wanting to check under his bed, About Gays, Nool going on with himself with his fancy talk.

Someone please tell me what is being mentioned in this thread between Nool and bib and others.

Essentially, the topic of a Dublin bar brawl got many of us simultaneously talking about ex-academy starlet Paddy McCarthy. During his time at City, he was well known for his alleged left wing sympathies, and sleeping under his own bed. Not a dig at you, at all, young Poppshed.

[blootoof]

Football violence is nothing like what I remember as a kid, it simply wasnt safe back in the 70's/early 80's, now you dont really feel too threatened going to a match

Are you going Wednesday? If you are, when we walk out of there after beating them you may feel a tad different.

Mate, you're gonna be leavin the shit-hole with 9000+ blues, not to mention the blues hanging around who were sat else where.

[BobbyJ1956]

Football violence these days? Millwall apart, it's about as common as pound notes. I bet you can even walk from Elland Road to Leeds station safely now. Remember that, after the Cup game?

[fees]

I remember walking out of the swamp with my old man in the 3rd round of the FA Cup in Jan '87. We lost one nil and Paul Simpson had a goal disallowed. We were supposed to only have 10000 tickets but the kept on opening more and more sections of the terracing at the away end as there were more and more blues turning up at the gate with tickets. When we left the ground that day it was like a chicken run, there was fighting all over the place. I feel sorry for our fans having to go through the same thing on Wednesday night after we leave the swamp heading for a Wembley final. Especially as there will be women and children in the crowd. Hopefully the police get a handle on it. The only violence I will see as I watch the game is if we have an injustice like we had earlier in the season with the goal that should never have happened. If that happens again I could have to buy a new telly!

[Fidel Castro]

What I want to know is why the fucl Irish people, living in Ireland, got involved in this??? Why aren't they supporting Cork City or Glentoran (or is that Norn Iron, sorry for my ignorance...)?? Watched the game on Tuesday in a pub with a few mates and all these Irish builder pikey people came storming in just after kick-off and they were all supporting scum...why?????? Makes no sense whatsoever imo. They were alright actually. What did piss me off though, got talking to them at half-time when we were having a smoke. Just got chatting and one of them asked me what I was doing in Holland etc etc and then he said to me (cos I have lived in Holland for so long)...oirr oirr well yoirr not realy from Manchester then are yer??? To which I replied....well you're fuclin Irish mate!!! He then mumbled something about 'living there for a while'...'jurst up ther road mate..jurst up ther road' 'orr' 'orrr' 'Oireland' 'Oireland', then mumbled something about kebab and ran off

[john68]

In answer to your question Mr BBSky...oh and welcome home after such a long time away...did you bring a note....:-)

My memory of hooliganism was that it came about with the inception of "ENDS"...The Kop being the 1st (around 1964), followed by either the shitford end or the Gwladys Street. Our own Kippax Street was originally formed at home in 1965, near the halfway line towards the front of the stand...Not sure who we were playing (until i check) but it was the game after we played Huddersfield at Leeds Road. There were about 13-15 0f us and I believe Walshawe Blue was also in that initial group with us. Within a few minutes we were joined by others and the numbers grew rapidly. From a few hundred to a couple of thousand quite soon.

What changed with ends was that not only did the teams compete but now the fans had their own competition with each other. It was our DUTY to outsing, outnoise whoever the opposing fans were and it became a challenge. Ends became like sacred ground and had to be defended at all costs...Hence songs of the day like "YOU'LL NEVER TAKE THE KIPPAX" and "We went to West ham, we went to Stoke, We went to Old Trafford...What a fuckin joke...WE TOOK THE LEAZES (I think) WE TOOK THE SHED...Cos we are the Kippax Street". Many of the songs were about ourselves and our prowess as an END as well as songs and chants in support of the team.

In 1965-66 (Promotion year, City had a huge away following, often larger than other clubs' home support, so other clubs mostly kept out of the City fans way. After promotion, many sides still didn't have an End and the City fans often just wandered into the home popular stands and took them over with no opposition. Chelsea and the Shed being an particular example.

By 1967-68 Things had changed and almost every team had an end to defend and an away following to attack. It was then that the fighting took place. A lot of it was just running and chasing opposition fans away but some of it was very brutal (Chelsea, Stoke, Forest, the rags, Leeds). There was no official segregation and it was common to have two massed groups of fans stood only a yard apart with no stewards or police to stop it kicking off, which it usually did.

It is my belief that the City fans were the 1st skinheads, but this was initially a fashion trend and had no connection with violence. A Police Officer once told me (around 1967) that they could often tell which groups of lads were rags and which were blue because the City fans had cropped hair, whilst the rags tended to wear it longer. Skinheadism, with its short worn jeans and Doc martin Boots arrived throughout the country around 1970 (when London caught up) and then the "Boot Boys" were formed.

I must make it plain that the above post is in no way a glorification of the violence nor any part that I may have played. It is merely an historical recollection of events as they happened.

[ant london]

Well well well

Came into this expecting a heartwarming tale about a mune and it seems I walked into some salvador dali scene about homosexuality, sectarianism, communism and fairground folk.

Sometimes this site makes me raise my highbrows

[john68]

To explain Ant.
Blueboylewis shot a rag in Belfast because he was a gay, blamed it on Noolie, who is a communist and hid it under BIB's bed in Dublin....I think....erm!!!

Fucked if I know mate.

[ant london]

There are some malign forces at work on this forum that much is certain!

[HeyMark]

Notice Dubciteh and Original Dub's lack of input into this discussion, they're my two main suspects!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

This is top thread. Carry on boys. All the makings of a classic.

[Dubciteh]

I read this the other day in the paper it's crazy, i used to live 2mins from the pub were he was shot!!!

Really? i grew up in the estate it happened.

Why must any news "thought" to come from Norn Iron be linked to sectarian shit. First up, read the article. The shooting happened in Dublin, so the religous angle is extremely unlikely.
There are some hardcore gangs in Dublin, often linked to drugs and organised crime. My guess is the guy said the wrong thing to the wrong fella and savage punishment resulted. Probably after the game but nothing at all to do with it.
But then listen to me turning every violent Dublin story into an organised crime story

This is exactly right, dont know how this story ended up in a belfast paper as it happened in a boozer ive drank in alot. Basically the bloke is a united "fan" that was shot like the usual typical irish united fan and took offence to the liverpool fan(i think defo wasnt a city fan) slagging him over the match and they had an argument so the other bloke had him shot, they knew each other and never got on it was going to boil over one of the days, Nothing to do with derby and really nothing to do with the match chances are it wouldve happened anyway. Both are linked to drugs trade and organised crime(afaik).

Notice Dubciteh and Original Dub's lack of input into this discussion, they're my two main suspects!

Funnily its OD's old local as far as i know or close enough to it!

[Blueboylewis]

I think Lewis's regular 'outings' are integral to the wellbeing of this site. Homosexuality is a strong sign of Communist sympathies.

What do you mean. I'm not communist!

i see you are in need of some rehabilitation comrade.

This is what happens when some good ol' philanthropic McCarthyism gets criticised. Disgusting.

I'm off to check under my bed, now. ;)

Erudites unite!

Someone please tell me what the fuck you are talking about. It is actually getting me paranoid because i feel you are talking about me and not in a good way!

What is this about?

It means Lewis that we all know you are gay. Now get over to the Man Crush thread and let us know who you fancy.

look dazby mate. Come back and call me gay when you have had sex with a girl. Or are you ok with the australian men who walk around in there tops all day. Bet you enjoy that hey mate! You ginger kangaroo ball frying gay man weirdo!

[Mark (Blue Army)]

I read this the other day in the paper it's crazy, i used to live 2mins from the pub were he was shot!!!

Really? i grew up in the estate it happened.

Why must any news "thought" to come from Norn Iron be linked to sectarian shit. First up, read the article. The shooting happened in Dublin, so the religous angle is extremely unlikely.
There are some hardcore gangs in Dublin, often linked to drugs and organised crime. My guess is the guy said the wrong thing to the wrong fella and savage punishment resulted. Probably after the game but nothing at all to do with it.
But then listen to me turning every violent Dublin story into an organised crime story

This is exactly right, dont know how this story ended up in a belfast paper as it happened in a boozer ive drank in alot. Basically the bloke is a U***d "fan" that was shot like the usual typical irish U***d fan and took offence to the liverpool fan(i think defo wasnt a city fan) slagging him over the match and they had an argument so the other bloke had him shot, they knew each other and never got on it was going to boil over one of the days, Nothing to do with derby and really nothing to do with the match chances are it wouldve happened anyway. Both are linked to drugs trade and organised crime(afaik).

Notice Dubciteh and Original Dub's lack of input into this discussion, they're my two main suspects!

Funnily its OD's old local as far as i know or close enough to it!

Yeah i used to live in the Aras Na Cluaine Appartments up the road from there it's not a bad pub eather Boomers he really must of fucked off the wrong guy. Thinking about it i think your right about it being OD's local sure he mentioned it before on here and i havent seen him around on here lately oh the conspiracy lol.

[Dubciteh]

Yeah i used to live in the Aras Na Cluaine Appartments up the road from there it's not a bad pub eather Boomers he really must of fucked off the wrong guy. Thinking about it i think your right about it being OD's local sure he mentioned it before on here and i havent seen him around on here lately oh the conspiracy lol.

yeah i know it well, im more of a "swallows" man than a "boomers" man but an old friend of mine owns it and have been in a few times!!

[Paul68]

Football violence is absolutely nowhere near what it used to be...when I was younger it was going off every weekend home and away...practically every football team had a firm...you youngsters have no idea

Bang on IBH - also - wearing colours was almost a sure way to get in a ruck - and the facking mad bastard pompey crew would even get off their train if they saw you on the platform in colours! - happened to me a couple of times in Basingstoke (on the way from portsmouth to london) and Reading (trains to midlands) - and god forbid if you were in waterloo when they got into the station...
it's nowhere near as bad now thank god as I take vinnie grimble (aged 10) with me now and back then kids being around was no guarantee of safety - they didn't give a shit...
Ended up getting coaches in the end - and even then city at home and utd away you could almost guarantee meeting them at the services on the motorway on the way home... and it would kick off again...

Back then it seemed almost sort of normal if that makes sense... it was football - which meant booze birds and kicking heads... but now I'm older (definitely) and wiser (well...?) seems like a bit of a waste really.

[blootoof]

In answer to your question Mr BBSky...oh and welcome home after such a long time away...did you bring a note....:-)

My memory of hooliganism was that it came about with the inception of "ENDS"...The Kop being the 1st (around 1964), followed by either the shitford end or the Gwladys Street. Our own Kippax Street was originally formed at home in 1965, near the halfway line towards the front of the stand...Not sure who we were playing (until i check) but it was the game after we played Huddersfield at Leeds Road. There were about 13-15 0f us and I believe Walshawe Blue was also in that initial group with us. Within a few minutes we were joined by others and the numbers grew rapidly. From a few hundred to a couple of thousand quite soon.

So you're to blame for all those years of violence! I hope you are happy. ;)

[ruralblue]

United fan shot in the heart, pre pubesent teenager bullied on football forum by communists, yup football violence is a lot worse in 2010.

Lewis in answer to your question, football has never been safer mate, it's a lot more 'family' orientated since I was a kid. My first ever game (ok it was watching Huddersfield), I walked into the ground and two lads were literally dragging and kicking an away fan down a load of steps, blood everywhere (which at six is quite scary). I asked my Dad is this what happens and the response was 'yes son most weeks should be a good game', the coppers turned a blind eye. I also remember away at Barnsley watching City, think I was about 14 and we walked down that horrible hill and back up into the filthy town, me a young lad and my two mid twenty body guards. We got into the car park and was surrounded by around 50 or so dumb as fuck Barnsley fans wanting to fight two chaps with a kid, talked out of it until there were two of them left, the chap I was with 'dealt' with them, it involved a baseball bat and a fair bit of blood.

I have never seen such acts since.

rural